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Letter to Editor: How TTSL could revolutionise T&T football; and why you should care!

“For the first time, these clubs have the opportunity and the awesome responsibility of control over the administration, the politics and the finances of the competition in which they participate…

“TTSL is, in conception and practice (so far) an example of grassroots, ‘coming from below’ football democracy. It comes from the communities of the nation, including Tobago. It is not an imposition from above. It is founded on merit.”

The following Letter to the Editor on the potential of the nascent Trinidad and Tobago Super League (TTSL) was submitted to Wired868 by interim TTSL president and CONCACAF technical study group member, Keith Look Loy:

Photo: The Guaya football club can generally count on the full support of its "Green Army" when it takes to the field. (Courtesy Allan V Crane/Wired868)
Photo: The Guaya football club can generally count on the full support of its “Green Army” when it takes to the field.
(Courtesy Allan V Crane/Wired868)

The formation of the Trinidad and Tobago Super League (TTSL) on 13 December 2016 is arguably the most important development in local football in the last fifteen years.

That is a huge statement. Why do I make it? After all, in the last fifteen years we have witnessed amazing scenes.

Trinidad and Tobago participated in FIFA World Cups at men’s, women’s and youth level. A professional league was created at the apex of the local game. The Jack Warner era came to an end for better and worse—and I mean “better AND worse”, not “OR”.

Schoolboy football is now televised live to the region, even as the elite game suffers from a lack of gate receipts and income other than State funding. Amazing scenes, indeed.

But I repeat: The formation of the Trinidad and Tobago Super League (TTSL) on 13 December 2016 is arguably the most important development in local football in the last fifteen years.

Why? Because if the thirteen clubs that grasped the bull firmly by the horns on 13 December 2016 and bestrode it; if these thirteen clubs now bloomed to twenty with the joining of seven more to date; if these twenty clubs, therefore, press on with maturity, bravery and vision to fulfil the potential of their moment, then the landscape of Trinidad and Tobago football will be forever changed. I will explain.

Photo: Defence Force captain Chris Durity (left) looks for passing options while Tobago FC Phoenix 1976 player Onasi Forde (centre) looks on during 2015/16 CNG National Super League action at the Canaan Recreational Grounds, Tobago. (Courtesy Allan V Crane/Wired868)
Photo: Defence Force captain Chris Durity (left) looks for passing options while Tobago FC Phoenix 1976 player Onasi Forde (centre) looks on during 2015/16 CNG National Super League action at the Canaan Recreational Grounds, Tobago.
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For the past many years—since 2002 I believe—the TTFA has run a competition known as the “National Super League”. This was a mere competition, like the FA Cup and not a proper league. And it was run under a franchise sold by TTFF/TTFA and held by All Sport Promotions Limited (ASP).

ASP did a great job. But the participating clubs in this competition were orphans in this arrangement. Voiceless. Belonging neither to a Regional Association nor to the TTFF/TTFA. Having neither stake nor say in either. And certainly not in a position to seriously influence the politics and direction of the league and Football.

The ASP franchise ended on 31 December 2016. In the evolution of any organism, animal or otherwise, key moments come when the organism is transformed from one state into something qualitatively different.

The member clubs of the National Super League have seized their moment and transformed themselves into the Trinidad and Tobago Super League (TTSL).

For the first time, these clubs have the opportunity and the awesome responsibility of control over the administration, the politics and the finances of the competition in which they participate.

Photo: FC Santa Rosa coach Keith Look Loy (centre) talks to his players at halftime while then captain Jovan Rochford (right) has a drink of water during 2015/16 CNG National Super League (NSL) Premiership Division action against Club Sando Moruga at the Marvin Lee Stadium in Macoya. (Courtesy Nicholas Bhajan/Wired868)
Photo: FC Santa Rosa coach Keith Look Loy (centre) talks to his players at halftime while then captain Jovan Rochford (right) has a drink of water during 2015/16 CNG National Super League (NSL) Premiership Division action against Club Sando Moruga at the Marvin Lee Stadium in Macoya.
(Courtesy Nicholas Bhajan/Wired868)

OK, you say. That’s nice. Buh wah make dat “the most important development in local football in the last 15 years?”

The answer to that question is simple. TTSL is, in conception and practice (so far) an example of grassroots, “coming from below” football democracy. It comes from the communities of the nation, including Tobago.

It is not an imposition from above. It is founded on merit. No buying your way into the dance because you can afford it. You have to win your way in.

And in a football culture where debt and dependency seem to be genetically predisposed, TTSL holds the potential to create an alternative model of viable football administration and management that depends on something other than favours and hand outs. Yes. Even in these “harsh economic times”.

Call me a dreamer. Call me naïve. But my conviction is that the TTSL and its member clubs could produce a product that is marketable—in their communities and to commercial partners.

Photo: Guaya United supporters get behind their team during 2015/16 CNG National Super League action against Defence Force in Guayaguare. (Courtesy Nicholas Bhajan/Wired868)
Photo: Guaya United supporters get behind their team during 2015/16 CNG National Super League action against Defence Force in Guayaguare.
(Courtesy Nicholas Bhajan/Wired868)

This potential is transparent. And spurred on by recognition of this potential and with desire for something better than what exists, TTSL, although less than two months old, has already been approached by potential commercial partners, and many have been the enquiries from regional association clubs that wish to come into the TTSL fold—yes, the consequence of the culture of league membership based on money not merit that has been introduced into our Football by some.

TTSL insists that there must be an integral connection of promotion and relegation with the TT Pro League. Super League clubs have attempted to pursue this for many years. Indeed, TTSL recently wrote to TTPL seeking an urgent discussion of this and other matters.

But “professional football”, as currently organised in Trinidad and Tobago, has failed—commercially and from an organisational standpoint.

Until the new century, every successful club in Trinidad and Tobago was rooted in a community. This is no longer so. That organic connection between club and people in a particular locale was lost around the turn of the century as teams began to pay players and to buy their place in a league.

In the dangerous social and economic climate which we endure, the time is now to return Football to its rightful place—the community. Even as they already make a contribution to Society, the importance of successful community clubs is critical to any chance of social integration today.

Photo: Real Maracas striker Christian Thomas (centre) runs at the Stokely Vale defence during 2015/16 CNG NSL Premiership action at the Maracas Recreation Ground. (Courtesy Nicholas Bhajan/Wired868)
Photo: Real Maracas striker Christian Thomas (centre) runs at the Stokely Vale defence during 2015/16 CNG NSL Premiership action at the Maracas Recreation Ground.
(Courtesy Nicholas Bhajan/Wired868)

TTSL is found in twenty-four communities across the country, including Tobago. This is our “competitive advantage” and TTSL clubs must use it.

In this regard, as few TTSL members now have a youth programme—a real one—it must be a priority in the TTSL scheme of things to have clubs establish and maintain viable youth set ups. We are football clubs and nothing catches youth and allows for their social education better than football.

TTSL has adopted a set of “Founding Principles”, which are essentially: (1) equality of ownership and responsibility to the League and to Football; (2) unflinching commitment to a relationship with regional association football, and to the principle of promotion and relegation—membership based on merit not money—among all tiers of the local club game; and (3) equitable profit sharing by an agreed formula, because it is only the generation of profit for TTSL member club that will allow them sustainable resources to grow and develop themselves and Football as a whole.

But these “Founding Principles”, as worthy as they may be, exist only on paper and will be materialised only via proper planning and smart, tireless work by each club. The latitude for blaming others for failure is now gone.

Photo: Guaya United captain Erskine Johnson (right) tries in vain to stop a cross from reaching Matura ReUnited goal scorer Dorian Robinson during 2015/16 CNG NSL Premiership Division action in Matura. (Courtesy Nicholas Bhajan/WIred868)
Photo: Guaya United captain Erskine Johnson (right) tries in vain to stop a cross from reaching Matura ReUnited goal scorer Dorian Robinson during 2015/16 CNG NSL Premiership Division action in Matura.
(Courtesy Nicholas Bhajan/Wired868)

TTSL has submitted its application for TTFA membership on 8 January 2017 and has requested a meeting with the TTFA Board of Management to ensure its application is successful. The league is requesting nothing more from TTFA than recognition. No money. Nothing.

TTSL is a progressive development and we expect TTFA to facilitate the membership of an elite league with twenty-four of its members. The League will begin its inaugural season on Sunday 11 June 2017.

We live in the era of twenty-four hour cable television football from elite league around the world. TTSL is not La Liga or the EPL or Serie A or the Bundesliga. We know this. It takes a conscious political decision by each and everyone to support the local game.

You love Trinidad and Tobago? You love Trinidad and Tobago football? You love Trinidad and Tobago youth?

Stop talking. Find the nearest TTSL game and go support that Holy Trinity…

Photo: Matura ReUnited goalkeeper Glenroy Samuel (standing) gets some help from a young football fan during CNG 2015/16 National Super League Premiership Division action against Petrotrin Palo Seco at the Matura Recreation Ground. (Courtesy Nicholas Bhajan/Wired868)
Photo: Matura ReUnited goalkeeper Glenroy Samuel (standing) gets some help from a young football fan during CNG 2015/16 National Super League Premiership Division action against Petrotrin Palo Seco at the Matura Recreation Ground.
(Courtesy Nicholas Bhajan/Wired868)

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132 comments

  1. ..Never attended ONE meeting of TTSL..

  2. ..Never happen. Everybody in and out the TTSL want to play..

  3. if not sir my suggestion to you and i am sure that Keith Look Loy and many others will share my sentiments….. if you or your club have a problem with the way things are set up then the simplest of solutions for you is to just NOT COMPETE AT ALL…. IF YOU BELIEVE that your investments will be be in danger then withdraw them and not compete…..other than that stop fighting the progress that others are trying to achieve

  4. as i said or asked Roland Clarke have you been to the meetings personally? or seen the prospectus put forward by Keith look loky and company?

  5. Good stuff,let’s look at the bigger picture in that it has the possibility of uniting communities to come together and support something. I am yet to see an atmosphere like the ‘east coast derby’ between Guaya and Matura FC! The first Jabloteh ‘home’ game it had some ppl shouting out..’god is great,the community has football again,the ppl are going to come together and crime is going to go down!’…and as Keith said at the end of the letter. it’s time to STOP TALKING!!!

  6. The club administration did an they among the local fans or man on the street outside of all agenda the main concern is that one concern .

  7. great….. have you been to any of the meetings held thus far?

  8. again Roland Clarke i am asking you are you at present associated with any club in the new ttsl or have been to any of the meetings held thus far? please just answer yes or no

  9. and to you once more Jamaal Shabazz please stop avoiding answering the questions that i have asked earlier….. you have come out in defence strongly as why the top two leagues should not merge….. but i do not see your point… so my questions are geared toward helping me get a better understanding of your vision

  10. You never did hostory you first hsve to no where you come from before you no where you are going .

  11. I worked at two professional club i have been in pro league football most of my life the pro league ran for years with out any cloud of corruption i worked at the superleague level an there was tantated by corruption at one time now we looking at a new chapter an the local man simple asking if those ghost from the past will not hunt the new vision .

  12. what cloud Roland Clarke? i must ask you do you have a club that is affiliated to the new super league or playing in the new super league?

  13. I am not a follower i am a leader there are a cloud of suspicion that hangs over the way foward with the new super league thats the voice of concern by most club oners coaches etc it is a topic i asked a question an if it offends who the cap fits let them wear it . I am just a coach my name will only called when i lose draw win or get fired noting more .as the saying goes not every skinn teeth is a smile it is a present topic among clubs fans etc .coaches i do not drink tea for other people .

  14. let me apologize gentle men for my behavior earlier… at times i do let my emotions get the better of me…… how ever i must say to Roland stop dwelling on the past…. gine the new super league a chance.. you cannnot expect a new venture to fail simply because of the actions of one corrupt individual….. this is a new venture new administration with none of the old heads from before……

  15. I love this. Definitely need to get back to the community and a proper relegation and promotion system as mentioned is something I definitely would advocate. Whole thing is easier said than done but at least the thought process is in the right direction. Would love to be a part of it, whether as a player or on the administrative side. All the best either way. Forward ever!

  16. Wrong thread Roland. Go to the top and start over.

  17. I’ve been reading the discussion and a few things delight me and even more trouble me. Someone might say you live in foreign so this is not your business as I was told last week . But I’m Trini and concerned.
    (1) Keith and his colleagues have demonstrated excellent leadership in trying to revive community ownership and support or teams via the SL
    (2) they have been very open about it and the rationale is clear. I haven’t seen a clear. I soon laid out like this in a long time
    (3) they have already been able to garner grassroots support and they don’t have that string band of baggage that comes with distrust. I little smattering is ok – people should ask questions

    On the areas that trouble me

    (1) in ability or unwillingness of the major bodies sit and talk.
    (2) major distrust of the governing body which then tarnishes all that it sanctions
    (3) lack of clarity in decision making at the national TTFA/TTFF levels which further disenfranchises constituents
    (4) general lack of understanding of how governance works at all levels
    (5) poorly packaged product which will not or cannot draw consistently high levels of corporate support/sponsorship
    (6) unclear league rules and performance expectations

    All this said, Look Loy and company’s SL innovation (though nit a totally new idea) is pushing us to talk and the bodies should meet soon. I’m willing to offer my services as a mediator and facilitator to such discussions out of which will emerge an operations plan for tt football and a set of guidelines (performance, disciplinary, marketing, etc).

  18. The shift that has taken place in football over the years…is something that has caused our players not to b able to break into that European threshold….
    When allllllllllll the focus and Finance is put into Pro League clubs and players….we then 4get the development process of the kids that are leaving school in their mid and late teens…
    Where r these kids going to play…develop…if u r not good enough to play at Pro League level…then u look to the Super League….but there is a League under the Super League….that is the league that needs to be organised for our young talent….

  19. My 2 cents:
    1) conflicts of interest,clubs would not support persons in positions affiliated to any club directly competing in a financial league.
    2)zonal leagues,Is the grassroot teams that need the financial assistance,it used to be the Mecca of football back in the day.
    3)Super League,is the replacement of the National league in my playing days it was the best football and would still be the community league and should be recognized by the TTFA.
    4)Professional league,should no way be sharing space in any league with amateur clubs,it would devalue the professionalism that we are trying so hard to instill in our culture.
    Critics/Dislikes, would always be there no matter what.

    • To your 4th point, players would gravitate towards SL clubs as it affords them opportunity to work in addition to play the sport they love.
      There are some really good players in SL and soon some ProLeague players who don’t see themself being a national player or getting a contract abroad would fall into SL.
      The output to input (financially) not adding up.

  20. ..Agreed. Stay on point Trolling not welcome..

  21. We way out of the original conversation and here we see just what I alluded to in my first discourse. With turf comes gangs and whether the weapons be aggressive words or Guns the need to protect is obvious. But no one in the Pro League is averse to promotion and relegation. I will not be party to attacking you or you guys attacking the league baselessly. If you want to conduct it like that. Later my brothers

  22. You need to hush at one time you jus had to regester a team an was geting funding from the sport company there are quite a frw teams got funding an now are out the super league

  23. Roland Clarke please hush… You know nothing… Malabar FC was a political promise by Anil Roberts… Players received salaries like real professionals and we’re paid through the life sport program as students and coaches in the program…. No more Anil =no lifesport= no more Malabar…. Like I said if you don’t have facts to back up by our statement please refrain from commenting and sounding like a no brainer…. The only TTSL club that probably depends on govt money is utt and they are a govt. Organization much like police and defence force

  24. What is happening here is like super league want to show pro league i am better i will show you all how this is done it has not kicked off yet however it already heading beyond the boundaries

  25. This is why FB discussions are sometimes helpful with pertinent contributions from folks that may not necessarily end up in the eventual meeting rooms.

  26. But you have to admit that after 17long years….. That’s more than half my age BTW… The should have no need for the subvention….. Clearly some part of the model is failing and skeene and DWJ ET Al have not implemented

  27. Too much is conducted in the dark….bringing something to light on fb or social media is not the same as discussing it. Keith is correct in this regard. What is wrong with asking for a meeting on fb? Also…if the basis of getting into what supposed to be the premier football league in TT is money, how does that assist football or improvement through competition? How difficult can it be to discuss then implement a merit based promotion and relegation system?

  28. Some super league team got government assistance also fomer malabar fc was one .

  29. Pro League teams don’t fatten their pocket from taxpayers money. That would be several steps too far.
    There is no way any club is getting fat from $50k per month.

  30. Talk is cheap… These fellas only concerned about fattening their pockets with tax payers money and not improving the football in interest of nationality

  31. It will happen. They may not agree, but the talks will take place in the interest of T&T football.

  32. Is it me or anyone else noticed that Jamaal has avoided every question I throwing at him? He has gone suspiciously quiet

  33. I highly doubt it would happen given that the head TTfa honcho is a member of the pro league round table Timothy

  34. It would seem that everyone here is more or less on the same page and want our football to progress to a higher standard. But a lot of things cannot happen individually with people operating in their own space, albeit for different reasons. There must be discussions with all stakeholders in terms of uniting the leagues to facilitate promotion, joint competitions and cooperation and support from the head body.

  35. Skeene wouldn’t want that…. Like we forget his academy is contracted to represent one of the serviceman teams in the league? If every team has to have its own youth structure then he would loose whatever pittance his academy gets

    • Nah. I don’t know that Skeene is compromised beyond the obvious fact that he is paid by Pro League clubs to be their CEO.
      If anything, Skeene openly acknowledged the need for a collaboration initially. But it isn’t his call. It is the call of the Pro League teams.

    • Like I said DWJ is a member if the round table…. They call all the shots not skeene… He is just the go-for…..

  36. ..Some people protecting turf..

  37. Transparency and accountability will help all parties, and from all perspectives. Praying the egos and old rivalries take a back seat for football’s sake.

  38. Which is all I am saying Lasana Liburd benefits must be all around and enjoyed by all not just a select few…. We may not be able to develop a utopian structure but I am dam sure that we can come close….

  39. ..Correct. But we like to conduct football business in the dark. And to walk away from promises and agreements.That is our national and football culture. LET’S MEET TTPL! Ah saying it on facebook..

  40. Devon and Keith, the truth is the Pro League agreed to promotion and relegation with the Super League two years ago.
    That was part of the discussions with FIFA that saw the Pro League get a vote in the November 2015 general elections. It was mandated. Pro League CEO Dexter Skeene confirmed so publicly at the time.
    But FIFA never followed up, the entire election was flawed anyway… and a cynic might assume the Pro League believes it can get away with pretending that promise never happened. Maybe.
    Or maybe the TTSL’s push for a seat in the table will force the Pro League’s hand.
    Or maybe the Pro League was always going to do it but was just operating on Trini time…
    I think it is something that will benefit the Pro League just as much as the TTSL.

  41. An keith the reson i ask the question the runing of the super league at least had changing of the guard about 3 times one year it went under the care of the E f a and all funds could not be accointed for no prise money could of been paid an in this land of ours where foitball and borball is equal on the playing field question marks are in the air

  42. I did say sponsorship…. But how many of you can stand without it? Or rather less of it…. The of has no self sufficiency in it but yet you all prevent others from joining…. Be that as it may rangers like all other clubs have made significant financial investments over the years but what has that produced? How many league titles? Fa cups Toyota classics pro bowls or goal Shields have they won? How many rangers players represented TNT at senior kens tournament @ cfu concacaf or wcq in the past 17years? Please answer

  43. ..What? Allyuh vex we issued a media release about the fact that we wrote to you? What? Is a secret? So they could ignore our approach in secrecy as has been the case before?.THIS is the problem. Let’s meet in the spirit of progress and talk..

  44. As usual I just defending to add balance

    • Please oh please I beg you to enlighten me sir and not try to subtly change the topic or divert from my line of questioning… I know all about the 50k grant… I read papers and watch the news… I’m surprised to hear you say that after 17 long years that PFL clubs now decide to sell t shirts to make money…. I wonder what price and could I or the common minimum wage earner afford one for each family member to show support for their team and develop that die hard supporter spirit in the younger generation

  45. If SL authorised you to conduct your organisation”s business on fb Pro League has not authorized me to do such

  46. The Board discussed it in our monthly meeting last week. He will but the Pro League Clubs not in favour of conducting their affairs on fb. And I think it’s a great discussion to have but I cannot preempt a Pro League Board decision on process

  47. ..We want to talk about 1) promotion/relegation, 2) technical cooperation, and 3) joint competitions..

  48. No need to go back into that argument star

  49. ..Ask Dexter Skeene to respond and let’s have a meeting Jamaal..

  50. You would be surprised of sponsorship agreements we have from player sponsors to title sponsors. And yes no store to sell jerseys but we have them started selling but not in stores yet.

  51. 50 000 a month can never pay salaries for pro league clubs

  52. We also have sponsorship my friend

  53. Or is it that because the idea is not yours so you are against it?

  54. I am not assuming Jamaal Shabazz…. I know…. Govt money and whatever little sister sponsorship money you can generate…. No PFL team has their own ground or adopted a ground and developed it sufficiently so as to charge gate receipts and keep 100% of such towards the running of the club… Sans point fortin…. Tell me what store Can i walk into and purchase a Cali Jersey at a reasonable price?…. So where else does the money to cover operational costs come from? Who pays the salaries of players and coaches? Please enlighten me so that I can understand better why you are against progress.

  55. ..Round and round. For ally my criticism of the TTL though, I have NEVER criticized a club. Kudos to the clubs that trying but many exist ONLY because they get State funding. They in TTPL so they get State monies and they get State monies so they in TTPL. ALL we ask is for discussion. We wrote to TTPL one week ago. NO RESPONSE..

  56. Come together and discuss yes but you all dismissive tone does not lend respect to those you want to sit with. Just saying mutual respect for your vision and ours

  57. Clubs paid 100,000 -130 registration plus salaries and other costs that you experience like transport medical etc

  58. You guys assuming is only Govt money run pro league clubs. Madness….

  59. Yeah but Keith you cannot disregard the years financial investment put into Rangers . From a business stand point there is logic there to. You guys want to play at top division fine but it has a price. Maybe the price is too high but is that also you looking for a hand out…the hand out being easy passage. Pro League Clubs value their investment and while I am one for up and down it needs some discussion to be fair

  60. Q.E.D. You should be teaching Logic at UWI Devon..

    • Lol….. Logic and common sense go hand in hand Keith… I doubt anyone from the TTfa or PFL would be willing to take such a class… In the immortal words of RAS SHORTY I ” when the tree young and yuh plant it wrong. It hard to straighten when it old and strong”…. That sadly is the state of the pro league and Trinidad and Tobago football

  61. This is a good topic but complicated if put into action when installing the promotion and relagation format. With the financial crumble we have in the country much less local football, it’s hard for super league teams to full salaries as a ttproleague team if they got a sudden promotion to the first teir. And with that being said turning the proleague clubs back into semi pro and amateur status to accommodate the promotion relagation format can be a step back in tt football. But then they said sometime you have to move one pace back to move three paces forward?

    • That’s an excellent point and definitely the crux of the matter.
      Truth is some Pro League teams already operate almost like semi pro outfits. With the state of the economy, we might have no choice. Clubs might have to cut their cloth as best as they can and we will have to cross our fingers that some teams DO remain full time.
      But the Pro League promised FIFA two years ago that it will create a relegation and demotion as part of the new constitution.
      Somehow we haven’t heard much of that promise in the last year.

  62. no one says that one should not exist and the other should not….. i certainly didnt Jamaal… i am merely suggesting that there be an amalgamation of the both,,,,, the current clubs in the pfl integrating with the top ttsl clubs to form a tt premier league….. entry into which must be earned or won in matches rather than being bought into…. this would foster a greater competitive spirit among clubs and players alike from the bottom come up….. imagine a zonal team being able to reach the highest level in 3 or 4 years and compete with the likes of w and cali and cenrtal? whereas the forever last place rangers could be back in the NFA in the same time period fighting their way back up? a structure like this brings about more competitiveness, forces the small clubs to raise their standard while the big clubs have to fight to remain big…… or is it that the millionaire boys club are not willing to share their govt. subventions with the poor people? you have to admit sir that your precious pfl has done nothing in its 17 year existence to help develop the lower leagues or the clubs competing in them……absolutely nothing…… in the words of niesha wattley” that making any sense?”.. if you could name 1current FIFA top 50 country with a 9 team domestic league with NO promotion and relegation i wil lmost certainly rest my case… gentle mans honour

  63. The issues surrounding use of the community fields are being worked on especially in Morvant. But the experiment to play there showed potential ….the quality of the pitch was a draw back….giving way to cricket …another challenge….To start is never difficult but to endure and fight on for decades under difficult circumstances….will be the test. It is my sincere view that we should face the road ahead as comrades in one industry.

  64. Again I am seeing a Gang culture developing here Devon. We vs Them when we have a chance to use the power of football to show how we can come together. You seem bent on casting aspersions so as to favour a SL and now Roland wants to do same for A Pro League. Turf war all over again. In my view there is a need for a league that caters for full time players coaches and admin and there is need for a league that caters for those who can operate on a part time basis. This is a chance to truly show that we care about our football. Arriving at issues of promotion and relegation between the league’s is not impossible. We can start on issues we agree on in common and build to the other ones. I am tired on the gang thing Devon London. Egos will be there but just as you guys are confident on where you going with the SL there are those of us who are confident with where we want to go with the Pro League.

  65. i saw no real change in venue…… morvant and barataria get mamaguy with a few games……. lewis street get one or two and club SANDO team run back to couva…… what happened to the promise of using irwin park? palo seco velodrome? hugo francis? ojoe road? hague st.? the largest crowd ever recorded at a pro league match was in movant back in november yet the last rounds of games run back to the stadiums and bareley struggling to get 50 people to come out……i amm not saying that the ttsl structure is the best but i am quite sure in years to come it will surpass the pfl in terms of organisation , attendace and finacial stability of all participating teams……

  66. I understand all what you saying however look at the number of support each team has look at the size of there grounds plus major sponcers an television rights the pro league is trying Digicel is on board fcb Toyota to name a few we saw change in venues trying to get football back to the community . A few of the teams drawing small sponcers .so those who are feeling that the super league structure will be better than the pro league at the end of the day you have to give credit where credit is due the pro league teams fought through all rough roads and is still the top league in Trinidad .

  67. the bpl has found a way to attract major sponsors tv rights deals etc thats why they can afford to pay each club….. if the trinidad and tobago football lanscape takes examples out that and apply them to our own dont you think that eventually this could happen to ours? the bpl dindt achieve what it today overnight, it has taken them 20something odd years to this point today and not by continuing to be an exclusive members club that bars entry because your not at a particular financial status…. clubs compete in the bpl because of merit …. you either play to get in or you play to stay in…. you cannot buy your way in……

  68. Those leagues has there money an major sponsors the pro league is the owners themselves due to there high franchise payments that got the league running do you no that the B p l each year gives a certain sum of money to each club some super league teams struggle with there regrestration money alot of clubs want to go pro league however is the franchise payment an once you are in payong of players an staff each month promotion an relegation can come if i move up to pro i move up with my franchise money an you get relegated you move down with your franchise money thats the only way how you will want to go up with out money ?

  69. BPL LA liga serieA ligue1 even the new Chinese super league….

  70. Apart from the mls almost every other league in the world has promotion and relegation…. It will be a major boost for both leagues in terms of attracting financial sponsors etc…. Even Jamaica has promotion and relegation even some of the small islands do it and this according to the recent FIFA rankings has proven to help take their national teams above ours in the international rankings Roland

  71. That cannot be possible the pro league clubs haa a higher franchise an they are the owners the superleague teams simple pays a regrestration to play a smaller regrestration compared to what the pro league franchise money is ..

  72. Hopefully now prof. Jamaal Shabazz ET Al of the so called pro league would be open to talks of changing the format to a premier league to allow promotion and relegation.. This allowing the TTSL clubs a chance to compete at the highest level and lesser known players a chance at gaining national caps… Eh… Wa ALLYUH think bout that Lasana Nicholas

  73. Thats my reson for asking if the individual can be trusted

  74. The E f A elections was around 2010 when the issue came up an the findings was discovered the then E F A head was placed back an the election cancelled due to the dishonest moves by the individual.

  75. One fomer ttff coach was accused of stealing back then as an administrator and also was bisbanded when tried running for E f A office .

  76. Keith, Ive read this a few times and i completely support this move. Well thought out and quite progressive. The issue of merit is welcomed. In whatever way, this is a move for football I can and will support. Well done !!!

  77. I can only recall Guaya making it to a Toyota Classic final. And they lost. The top Super League teams would defeat the lower Pro League teams.
    But that doesn’t make the Super League superior to the Pro League. It isn’t. Not now anyway.

    • ..Who is talking about TTSL teams being “superior” to TTPL teams? Not me. Burt we could talk about that. Stokely Vae made it to the Toyota final about four seasons ago. FC Santa Rosa has been in the Toyota twice and twice lost by one goal in the quarters – last in 2015 to a Defence Force side that promised to give us seven but which struggled to win in the dying minutes. But you see, THIS is the problem. I not talking about football on the field. I am talking about AN ALTERNATIVE BUSINESS MODEL.

  78. Alot of club owners an coaches believe superleague teams are better than the pro league teams the level of football is far higher ab it has been proven at the Toyota classic for years .an also a few supe league teams are also dependent on government funding some has folded up .most cannot make the move up due to money . There is no difference in the administration set up we jus has someone who feels they no more most is internet ideas

  79. Keith, how would you get the promotion/relegation thing to work if you have to meet certain financial criteria to get into the Pro League?

    • I’d assume that the Pro League would have to relax its stance on the entry fee. But I’d wait to hear on that.
      With instability in the Ministry of Sport and regarding the economy, the Pro League has some big decisions to make very soon.

    • ..Precisely. Including if they wish to have a discussion with TTSL on the matter. We have attempted to initiate one previously without success. TTFA also should play a role in this. They ARE the governing body..

  80. For those who believe the Pro League started with Govt funding or will fold up without it. Inshallah we will see.

  81. Congrats to you all coming up with an idea like this one well done MR look loy

  82. Roland you losing me what are you talking about. Stick to the topic nah. It’s about the strides made by the Super League.

  83. Can the administration be trusted with the dark clouds that hung over there heads from the past.

  84. The enthusiasm and chest beating will need courage and forbearance in difficult times. I can speak for at least two Pro League Clubs the Super League will have our fullest support. We are already drawing up partnerships with clubs for player exchange .

  85. Sitting on the armchair spouting wisdom is one stage but becoming an activist as Keith Look Loy is doing is another step

  86. So steps have been taken structures don’t fall out of the sky join a Super or Pro Club and contribute and help put it in.

  87. Yes Jamaal, but industries have structure and systems. It’s never going to be vaps

  88. The Super League and the Pro League each has its purpose and contribution and players to draw from there need be no losers here . We all can win and build an industry together .

  89. I support anything progressive in the football and I am never the aggressor Lasana. Kudos to the club’s we have been there and done that after Jack Warner abandoned the PFL he started. But if someone wants to invite you to dinner it does not mean you don’t have food in your house. Clearly everything is about drawing battle lines but it is the job of the TTFA then to support this venture and now…..

  90. I grew up in community football. Colts were my first team as I grew up in Belmont, Luton Town, Woodbrook boys Malvern, Newtown buzsaws Providence. Worked in Point Fortin where Civic were the community team, the Douglas boys, Wilfred Cave, Leroy de Leon, father Graham, great days. Hope the time is right to bring back ” the good old days”

    • I agree Bruce, I grew up around Malvern and learned a lot from Robbie Greenidge, Arthur brown, Tesheira, Headley, Haynes, Boxhill and others. That model will need major adjustments in today’s world though

  91. Moving forward; bigger and better. Get on board with the TTSL…

  92. Earl Best

    KLL, You have my best wishes but frankly I’m emphatically NOT optimistic.

    You talk good talk but can you walk the walk? There are vested interests out there that will conspire to place so many obstacles in your path that it won’t be long before you start thinking you’re running a 400m hurdles race rather than running a football organisation.

    Are you ready for that?

    This is the 21st Century, the What’s-in-it-for-ME?” age. And T&T remember, is a corrupt country; it’s not what’s good for us all that matters but what is good for ME.

    Not money but merit? This #$##$#$#$ man mad!?!

  93. Finally, something that gives hope for the future

  94. I think so as well. What say you here Jamaal? You’re warring so much these days that I won’t want you to miss the progressive stuff either. Lol

  95. This is the start of the changes we need to turn around this country. Sports is as good a place as any to start. Wishing the TTSL success and longevity.