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Letter to the Editor: Marisa Dick’s selection is the ‘fruit of a poisonous tree’

The following Letter to the Editor was submitted by author “Nelson Luther Gandhi” and argues why Trinidad and Tobago should reject the decision—made initially by the Trinidad and Tobago Gymnastics Federation (TTGF) and ratified by the Trinidad and Tobago Olympic Committee (TTOC)—to have gymnast Marisa Dick represent the nation at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games:

Photo: Trinidad and Tobago gymnasts Marisa Dick (right) wave to the crowd during the Opening Ceremony of the Toronto 2015 Pan-American Games at Rogers Stadium, Toronto on July 2015. (Courtesy Allan V Crane/Wired868)
Photo: Trinidad and Tobago gymnasts Marisa Dick (right) wave to the crowd during the Opening Ceremony of the Toronto 2015 Pan-American Games at Rogers Stadium, Toronto on July 2015.
(Courtesy Allan V Crane/Wired868)

American jurists are fond of the expression: ‘fruit of a poisonous tree’. No matter how pleasing to the eyes and/or taste buds, fruit of a poisonous tree will itself be poisonous. (The Rio 2016 Olympic selection of) Marisa Dick is clearly the fruit of a poisonous tree.

An obviously flawed process resulted in Ms Dick being nominated by the Trinidad and Tobago Gymnastics Association (TTGF) to represent Trinidad and Tobago, in Gymnastics, at the 2016 Olympics.

This clearly was an absurd decision that violated the principles of ‘fair play’, ‘justice’ (including ‘natural justice’) and ‘integrity’—some of the most noble tenets of participation in any Olympics; far more important than winning a gold medal.

We do not participate in the Olympics to win at all costs—by fair means or foul. That is why doping (i.e. the use of performance enhancing drugs) is illegal.

We are setting a very bad precedent if we allow the TTGF to get away with this atrocity on the basis that the TTGF filed an unfair withdrawal of Thema Williams on time. If we do so, we leave ourselves open to similar action by other sporting bodies in the future.

Photo: Trinidad and Tobago international gymnast Thema Williams. (Courtesy Allan V Crane/Wired868)
Photo: Trinidad and Tobago international gymnast Thema Williams.
(Courtesy Allan V Crane/Wired868)

We must not accept the proposition that ‘the ends justify the means’. The image of Trinidad and Tobago is at stake.

‘Fair play’, ‘justice’ and ‘integrity’ must be valued highly by all our citizens. In this regard, therefore, the justice of this case demands that nobody should represent Trinidad and Tobago in Gymnastics, at the Olympics.

The question of ‘bad mind’ does not arise. This is a matter of confirming Trinidad and Tobago’s commitment to ‘justice’, ‘fair play’ and ‘integrity’. As Ms Dick’s selection is the fruit of a poisonous tree, she cannot represent Trinidad and Tobago at the Olympics.

I call on trade unions, NGOs and other civic minded individuals and groups to organise and participate in a march, in support of this noble cause! I call on the Trinidad and Tobago Olympic Committee (TTOC) to schedule an emergency meeting for the purpose of rescinding its perverse decision to send Ms Dick to the Olympics!

I call on the TTGF executive to resign now and remove this poison from the Board!

Where will it end?! What if a job is advertised and, following interviews, the best candidate is not chosen because of a flawed selection process? Is it fair to give the job to the ‘second best’ candidate?

Or should we just not accept anyone recommended by the interviewing panel?!

Photo: Trinidad and Tobago Gymnastics Federation officials (from right) Ricardo Lue Shue, Elicia Peters-Charles and David Marquez pose with Sport Minister Darryl Smith (second from right). (Courtesy Ministry of Sport and Youth Affairs)
Photo: Trinidad and Tobago Gymnastics Federation officials (from right) Ricardo Lue Shue, Elicia Peters-Charles and David Marquez pose with Sport Minister Darryl Smith (second from right).
(Courtesy Ministry of Sport and Youth Affairs)

Similar considerations are applicable in the award of scholarships and contracts. Has politics taught us nothing!

Do we want Trinidad and Tobago to be the subject of ridicule, internationally, as a place where ‘justice’, ‘fair play’ and ‘integrity’ are sacrificed on the altar of ‘expediency’ and ‘participation’ at all costs? Are we the corruption capital of the world?!

What are our university lecturers, university graduates and university students—our so-called intellectuals—saying and doing about such matters?!

What are we saying and doing to our sporting personalities?! What are we teaching our children?!

Shame on us, all!

Photo: Trinidad and Tobago gymnasts Marisa Dick (centre) and Thema Wiliams (right) pose with therapist Nicole Fuentes while sightseeing in Rio De Janeiro on 18 April 2016. (Courtesy Hannifer Dick)
Photo: Trinidad and Tobago gymnasts Marisa Dick (centre) and Thema Wiliams (right) pose with therapist Nicole Fuentes while sightseeing in Rio De Janeiro on 18 April 2016.
(Courtesy Hannifer Dick)

Editor’s Note: The above letter was emailed to editor@wired868.com by ‘Nelson Luther Gandhi’.

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139 comments

  1. They were all involved!! She wasn’t an innocent bystander totally unaware of what was happening. She was a willing crooked participant with the other crooks. Fire bun dem all!!

  2. Wish you all will ease off the young lady and put the pressure / critique on the administration. She did not pick herself. I feel bad for Telma but I don’t like the idea of destroying another young person

  3. a waste of dicking time stupissss

  4. I support you in that noble gesture Kenneth H. Ransome Jr. I don’t support her though. Lol.
    Of course I hope that she doesn’t drag the flag because she is representing us. But my following of this case and knowledge of what went on and her inability to do the right thing–and I’m giving her the scarcely deserved benefit of the doubt that she didn’t do the wrong thing–means I have a knot in her stomach when I see her at this event.
    For me, it would be like cheering someone at the finishing line knowing that they tripped a competitor in mid-race.

  5. ..Her chances of “medalling” (that ‘Murican verb) are nil..

  6. Marissa Dick’s selection was a tough pill to swallow because of the scandalous selection process the TTGF employed and the inept leadership of the TTOC (from my perspective). Thema Williams must seek relief via the legal process and I support that approach. Regardless, Marissa Dick is representing Trinidad and Tobago and I intend to support her despite how I feel. She is due to perform in about 5 hours and we, T&T, need to stand behind her. Her chances of medaling are super slim being that her ranking is 77th in the world but at least we, T&T, have a beam mount she invented and recognized by the world gymnastics body.

  7. “The validating elites will not relinquish power, rescind poor decisions or admit to error, voluntarily. Throughout history change has come about when people refuse to continue to accept injustice. We must nip injustice in the bud or we will drift aimlessly from streams into rivers and from rivers into the sea . Do we recall how and when our children became so undisciplined?” #truth

  8. Whatever! Fact is… she is credited with it because she did it at an official event. Get over it.

  9. .LOL. Ok. If it makes you happy – She has a chance. LOL..

  10. Nelson Luther Ghandi

    (Part II) Response to comments on ” LETTER TO THE EDITOR — ‘MARISA DICK’S SELECTION IS THE FRUIT OF A POISONOUS TREE’ ”

    A march can be an effective tool for delivering change. Although, we must guard against it becoming simply a forum to vent frustrations. An effective march requires charismatic leadership, proper planning and good organizational support. The issue(s) must be clearly defined and well articulated. However, a march brings people together and stimulates them to take further action while demonstrating a different way of doing things. The free publicity provides a golden opportunity to further enlighten the public, put pressure on the other side to respond and to change their position, as the issues are further ventilated and more public support is attained.

    There appears to be some skepticism about the effectiveness of marches as a tool of protest action in Trinidad and Tobago. That concern has some validity as in the recent past, with the notable exception of the ‘SECTION 34’ march, few marches have been supported by large numbers of persons, even though the issues might have widespread support in the society. Ignoring the power of collective action, in Trinidad and Tobago there is a culture of ‘helplessness’ — a feeling that no matter what we do, it will not make a difference. The position is taken that, ‘I will look after my family and vote once every 5 years’. However, in a democratic society matters requiring our action arise all of the time and many of those matters have little to do directly with the Government and/or the Opposition. There are those who thrive on the notion that Trinidad and Tobago is a 9-day wonder country. People will talk, but take no action. All you have to do is ride it out. Some other issue will soon emerge and all will be forgotten. The real question is, how do we keep issues alive and get the desired change?

    Perhaps, Mr. Akins Vidale, based on his vast experience as a trade union/political activist can comment on what ought to be the next steps in moving this issue forward and, generally, effecting societal change on such issues. Also, please help us to understand why marches,generally, have not been successful in Trinidad and Tobago. Those of you who have ideas/suggestions, please provide us with your comments.

    NELSON LUTHER GHANDI

  11. I saw her in an interview on a video talking about d move she stole. But she didn’t say she stole it. She said d person who invented d move never made it to Olympics and once she made it to Olympics wit d move it will b named after her. I swear I am not lying!

  12. I agree! She is the fruit of a poisonous tree!

  13. If she wins a medal what will we do

  14. We are all commenting but you know what’s its like to dedicate yourself since age 3 family sacrifice, financial investment, personal sacrifice, mother up and down the place, and then some impostor comes and take your place, and we must just say OK we will support dick Never!!! Wrong is wrong and she could win whatever. It will not make it right Impostor! That who Marisa Dick is selfish and shameless Canadian

  15. Same on anybody who supports that dick girl, that’s why we are so high on the corruption Lord! have mercy on the children, no proper example from most adults

  16. Is Nelson Luther Ghandi this person’s real name? Cause that’s a different spelling of Gandhi…

    • Yes Chabeth I agree with you. I await his response. Thanks for being viligent it’s wise and necessary in these times. Blessings always.

    • Lol. Idk. I’m actually hoping it’s his real name.
      Would hate to think that someone is calling on the rest of us to rise up while bravely standing behind a pseudonym. And I’d hate even more if we took advice from a nameless, faceless person.
      (Regardless of individual opinion about the matter at hand.)

    • Having worked with newspapers even if you use a fake name for printing you must submit your real name before the article is published. I totally agree with what he wrote. What’s the big deal about the validity of his name? Why not focus on his message. Is it that the truth offends?

    • His message is redundant. He isn’t adding anything new to this particular debate or to responses to injustices in general. I have no issue with ppl saying whatever they want. But if you’re going to attempt to incite ppl to action then at least let ppl know who you are.
      That’s all.

    • Poor feller. By now he should realize we are a nine day wonder society and he’s only spinning top in mud.

  17. Response to comments on ” LETTER TO THE EDITOR — ‘MARISA DICK’S SELECTION IS THE FRUIT OF A POISONOUS TREE’ ”

    I am happy that my letter to the editor has provoked so much discussion. Special thanks to the editor of WIRED 868 for his bold and courageous decision to publish it. The letter was submitted to some other news media houses in Trinidad and Tobago, but has not seen the light of day there. I am not sure why, but limited space/time, other competing issues and a generally busy news cycle might have been contributing factors. In the final analysis, the decision as to which letters are published is a judgement call of the editor based on his own ideas as to what is newsworthy. Apart from being far less constrained by considerations such as time and space, social media is highly interactive and clearly has certain advantages over traditional forms of media. I will say no more on the matter at this time.

    The view has been expressed that although the TTOC’s decision was perverse, there was no need to march as there are other more important issues. I strongly disagree with that view. We cannot effect change without effort/action. The validating elites will not relinquish power, rescind poor decisions or admit to error, voluntarily. Throughout history change has come about when people refuse to continue to accept injustice. We must nip injustice in the bud or we will drift aimlessly from streams into rivers and from rivers into the sea . Do we recall how and when our children became so undisciplined?

    How did slavery, indentureship and segregation/apartheid end? What about our social revolution in the 1970s (e.g. the change in ‘complexion’ at the banks)? Those who do not learn from history are condemned to relive it. We must overcome our feeling of helplessness and use our far superior ‘numbers’ and ‘intelligence’ to effect change. Let us not forget Rosa Parks and her refusal to give up her seat on the bus! Her action had a tremendous impact on the success of the civil rights movement in the USA.

    We must also recognize that human nature is such that if there is a lack of consequence, some people or perhaps most people might adopt the attitude that they could do what they want and get away with it. We must ensure that such persons understand that injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We must use our ‘speed guns’ (i.e. marches and other forms of lawful, peaceful protest action ).

    The TTOC is akin to a Board of Directors( BOD ) of a company. If the BOD becomes aware that the interviewing panel had adopted a flawed procedure for the hiring of an individual or the award of a contract then, in such circumstances, the BOD is duty bound to ensure that no recommendation of that interviewing panel finds acceptance.
    Similarly, nobody recommended by the TTGF ought to be accepted/ratified by the TTOC.

    No sanctions will be imposed by any international sporting organization on the TTOC for declining to participate in gymnastics at the Rio Olympics. Subject to having met certain qualifying standards, it is the inherent right of each country’s Olympic body to determine whether or not it wishes to participate in particular events. However, it seems that the TTOC felt that since Thema Williams ( the best candidate ) was not allowed by the TTGF to participate in the test event in Brazil and, therefore, was not eligible for the Rio Olympics ( as confirmed by FIG ), then Marisa Dick was the obvious choice. In this regard, the other option did not find favour with the TTOC ( i.e. decline to participate, in gymnastics, in the Rio Olympics ). Accordingly, the TTOC threw itself under the bus, without any assistance from FIG. The TTOC ought not to blame FIG for this fiasco.

    Fellow citizens, unjust decisions are being made while we sleep. Let us arise from our slumber and do what is right.
    What is the legacy that we are leaving for future generations? What will be their reaction to our failure to act when all this injustice was taking place? I sincerely hope that they do not spit on our graves!

    NELSON LUTHER GHANDI

  18. Nelson Luther Ghandi

    Response to comments on ” LETTER TO THE EDITOR — ‘MARISA DICK’S SELECTION IS THE FRUIT OF A POISONOUS TREE’ ”

    I am happy that my letter to the editor has provoked so much discussion. Special thanks to the editor of WIRED 868 for his bold and courageous decision to publish it. The letter was submitted to some other news media houses in Trinidad and Tobago, but has not seen the light of day there. I am not sure why, but limited space/time, other competing issues and a generally busy news cycle might have been contributing factors. In the final analysis, the decision as to which letters are published is a judgement call of the editor based on his own ideas as to what is newsworthy. Apart from being far less constrained by considerations such as time and space, social media is highly interactive and clearly has certain advantages over traditional forms of media. I will say no more on the matter at this time.

    The view has been expressed that although the TTOC’s decision was perverse, there was no need to march as there are other more important issues. I strongly disagree with that view. We cannot effect change without effort/action. The validating elites will not relinquish power, rescind poor decisions or admit to error, voluntarily. Throughout history change has come about when people refuse to continue to accept injustice. We must nip injustice in the bud or we will drift aimlessly from streams into rivers and from rivers into the sea . Do we recall how and when our children became so undisciplined?

    How did slavery, indentureship and segregation/apartheid end? What about our social revolution in the 1970s (e.g. the change in ‘complexion’ at the banks)? Those who do not learn from history are condemned to relive it. We must overcome our feeling of helplessness and use our far superior ‘numbers’ and ‘intelligence’ to effect change. Let us not forget Rosa Parks and her refusal to give up her seat on the bus! Her action had a tremendous impact on the success of the civil rights movement in the USA.

    We must also recognize that human nature is such that if there is a lack of consequence, some people or perhaps most people might adopt the attitude that they could do what they want and get away with it. We must ensure that such persons understand that injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We must use our ‘speed guns’ (i.e. marches and other forms of lawful, peaceful protest action ).

    The TTOC is akin to a Board of Directors( BOD ) of a company. If the BOD becomes aware that the interviewing panel had adopted a flawed procedure for the hiring of an individual or the award of a contract then, in such circumstances, the BOD is duty bound to ensure that no recommendation of that interviewing panel finds acceptance.
    Similarly, nobody recommended by the TTGF ought to be accepted/ratified by the TTOC.

    No sanctions will be imposed by any international sporting organization on the TTOC for declining to participate in gymnastics at the Rio Olympics. Subject to having met certain qualifying standards, it is the inherent right of each country’s Olympic body to determine whether or not it wishes to participate in particular events. However, it seems that the TTOC felt that since Thema Williams ( the best candidate ) was not allowed by the TTGF to participate in the test event in Brazil and, therefore, was not eligible for the Rio Olympics ( as confirmed by FIG ), then Marisa Dick was the obvious choice. In this regard, the other option did not find favour with the TTOC ( i.e. decline to participate, in gymnastics, in the Rio Olympics ). Accordingly, the TTOC threw itself under the bus, without any assistance from FIG. The TTOC ought not to blame FIG for this fiasco.

    Fellow citizens, unjust decisions are being made while we sleep. Let us arise from our slumber and do what is right.
    What is the legacy that we are leaving for future generations? What will be their reaction to our failure to act when all this injustice was taking place? I sincerely hope that they do not spit on our graves!

    NELSON LUTHER GHANDI

  19. Wonder how many on this page find “its only plums” on the other page?? WRONG IS WRONG! Thief is thief!

  20. Do you believe I was reading a post where Abeo received an abusive phone call and it was pulled off Facebook

  21. She was selected to represent T & T and I will support her , I see nothing wrong she went to Brazil and compete in order to qualify it was no favor from anyone. Which means she is good , I wonder if she wins a medal what would you say then .

    • They would all jump on the bandwagon

    • No we won’t. She is an “outside child”

    • If she were good enough to win a medal this wouldn’t be an issue at all, because she wouldn’t be representing Trinidad but the country in “her heart”……Canada

      • Earl Best

        Or, alternatively, she would have been representing T&T LEGITIMATELY since she probably would not have finished 77th in Glasgow.

        Frankly, I do not understand how thinking people could miss that point. But a wise man once said that “Trinidadians walk around with their heads empty.” Sometimes when you read the comments on Wired868, it’s really hard not to agree wholeheartedly.

    • Lady you are living in la, la, land support that dick girl Never! Any right thinking true Trini who knows what’s it’d like to reach to Theme level, and have an impostor like dick with the full support of that wicked board take your birthright support! Corruption is so embedded in this society that many people cannot distinguish truth from error support dick NEVER!!! and I don’t care whether she wins 10 gold medals I not taking my eyesight to watch her she is no Trini impostor!

    • No we won’t. Bcuz our own soil Thema qualified for d spot she got and bcuz her and her crew was planning to remove her and they wait to d so d last minute, so nothing couldn’t b done. Dat wasn’t nice. If your girl friend u lime wit and trained wit slept wit your husband and she planned to do u dat all d time while u were friends and your husband left u for her. Dat will b ok, then?

    • I remember before the “C” word came in vogue we used to say “Money Pass”. Dick eh representing this Trini…I will feel good for Canada if she performs well… In sync with her heart.

    • You need to know the history and if you are a true Trini you will think and feel differently, this is not a matter of just selecting someone lady, it is who they selected instead of the true Trinidadian Thema this dick Canadian is not one of us, she is not for us she is an imposter and an opportuneness no person with integrity will support that

  22. As I always say, Massa day never done.

  23. Dick isn’t going to place.

    Each routine has a difficulty/start value and she does not have high enough value skills to beat the competition.

    As I am typing this I realize the irony in saying that her (skill) values are not high enough for her to win any medals at the Olympics, yet a lack of values within the TTGF and her handlers is what got her there in the first place.

  24. The decision was made to send Ms Dick to represent us and we just accepted it when we ought to be marching in the streets. Even the other athletes ought to have remove themselves from representing T&T as a show of solidarity not only Thema but to show that they will accept nothing less that fair play and integrity. We’re just a selfish and corrupt society and this shit will continue cause we don’t stand for nothing and we will therefore sadly fall for anything. Ms Dick and her team I’m sure have been giving each other hi 5s at how they were able to pull one over us because of weak and pathetic we are!

  25. I am still hurt about this as representation and a medal come before honesty and integrity

  26. Wow Danni all day I did not see dat coming she’s a thief

  27. We all support thema & how thismarissa girl from another country could take thema’s spot…but u know Trini’s..if she happened to get a medal or a good placing.. Let’s see how many of us will change their tune..”so proud to b a Trini & shit”

  28. We should all support some kind of compensation for this grave injustice against Thema and I support Azerbaijan for #Rio2016…we have no gymnast because Thema did not get her chance to earn a spot at the test event. She won the chance to be there fair and square and (then under suspicious circumstances) was robbed of it…therefore whoever is in Rio flying the T&T flag for gymnastics – I care not if it is the first person for T&T – is the wrong person. It should have been Thema and it is not, I stand by the principle that it is better to have no one there than having anybody there when they stole the spot – whether they had help to steal it or not. We do not condone stealing…we let it happen enough in the last 5 years…let’s make an end of it now…

  29. And speaking of dicks move… was done way before her.. here is one of them https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6-cCaN759E

  30. Agree wholeheartedly with everything the gentleman wrote. Shame on all of us who sat by and watched this charade unfold without letting our feet do the talking. Shame,shame, shame.

  31. Like I said she reminds me of Miley, Justin n Donald Trump in a nutshell

  32. Her “parent” taught her well. She will reach far being dishonest and dishonourabe

  33. There was a big write up of confusion about her n dat move she only showed it off recently in Glasgow, she lies for everything

  34. this was written under the video with Samantha:
    Tade Williams3 months ago
    If this video is from March 2014, how can Marisa Dick the Canadian gymnast with the constant injuries who claims to represent TnT (what Trinidad doesn’t have any other gymnast? Even an injured one is better than what they have?) how can she have INVENTED THE MOUNT? and how can it go down in the history books named after Marisa Dick ? Seems like these friends were both doing it around the same time and it seems like Gourley was even doing it a bit before Dick. Gourley’s execution is flawless, and was flawless in March 2014. She goes into her next “position” without error, Marisa is all over the place and awkward.

  35. They always say a liar is a thief

  36. well if Sam did it first, it is obvious. I heard there was even someone else in Australia before, but didn’t get the name… the dick move it seems is not the dick’s move at all.

  37. In “ATale of Two Cities” authored by Charles Dickens he wrote,

    ” It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness,…..”

    Apparent contridictory words yet complementary. The TTGF made a historic event, ” the best of times” one of the most catastrophic and contemptuous decisions heavily impregnated by nepotism, “the worst of times”.

    The TTOC an organization supposedly imbibed with insight, discernment and good judgment, “wisdom” took a thoughtless and irresponsible decision which endorsed a defective process created by simpletons.

    Yes and we must live with it. What is even worse are the persons defending these cretins who created this tragedy and the jesters who who maintain their officialdom.

    #shameshameshame ( rings bell )
    Shame ( rings bell )

    • Earl Best

      For those unable to recognise it, brothers and sisters, genuine righteous indignation. It is, I repeat, wha was, in the TTOC President’s announcement of the Committee’s decision, conspicuous by its absence.

      Thanks, Nichole.

  38. EVEN THIS GIRL SO CALLED DICK MOVE IS FROM ANOTHER GYMNAST AND SHE COPIED IT

  39. Well said Nelson Luther Gandhi. It’s time we stand up for something and also add ‘the fairless – oops – fearless one’ to the list. He should apologise to Thema and her coach.

  40. Moving forward I would like to see the governing sport bodies make a clear
    determination on foreigners.
    it cant no longer be because you cant make it in the country of your birth, you decide to represent TT based on lineage.

  41. Nowhere will be safer than the Games Village. Fans might want to pay attention to that tough.

  42. This is the worst only in trinidad she doesn’t represent trinidad I am sorry

  43. ..Thema might be the lucky one..

  44. Once when I was just a boy, my little sister and I ate what we thought were plums; it turned out that we had eaten the fruit of a poisonous tree and we ended up in the hospital.

    My consistent policy, in all the years since then, has been to stay as far away as I possibly can from ALL poisonous trees – and even further from the fruit. I see no reason to change now and wish to thank the writer for erecting this huge sign designed to alert all and sundry to the true nature of the TTGFruit.

  45. Roseanna Clement, unless the Arbitration body says otherwise, accept the fact that at this point Thema is not going to Rio.

    • Earl Best

      In fact, it may be even worse than that, Judy-Ann. Because the FIG has said that the spot is nominative, meaning that it belongs to Marisa, even if she were disqualified at the eleventh hour (poetic justice?), the spot would go to an Azerbaijan gymnast and not to Thema. It’s a point that quite a few commenting on the recent stories seem to have missed.

  46. I fully support the sentiments expressed in this letter. I will support any lawful action by civil society to demand that #ThemaOrNobody represents Trinidad and Tobago in the upcoming Olympics in Gymnastics.

  47. I remembered as a young boy about 14 years old I went to the Wes Hall under 15 cricket trials at the nets in Arima, the gentleman in charge a national player at the time one Prince Bartholomew saw me for the first time and told me he never saw a Chinee cricketer yet, ignored me for the rest of the session and that was the end of my cricket career. Sorry to say racialism around long time now in sport. God don’t sleep, I was able to gain success in another area while Mr. Bartholomew now have no feet.

  48. So this move now known as “The Marisa Dick move” was also performed by Sam Gourley at the UCIC in 2014. So who really came up with this move first??? Hmmmmmm makes me wonder after all that has happened to Thema, is it possible she could’ve copied this move from Sam Gourley??? We may never know. Kelly Ramlal-McDowell, Clifton McDowell, Deborah Knowles- Garcia Michelle Telfer-Frankland

  49. There is the link enjoy some truth

  50. SSDD- Same Shit Different Day. Trinidad and Tobago has been a culture of acceptance of everything for as long as I can remember. If people can literally get away with murder in the twin islands, what is going to bring change now that would hold the TTGF and TTOC responsible and accountable for this injustice? As much as a few voices shout how much they hate the injustice that was done to Thema, it remains nothing more than a few feverish Facebook posts and opinion letters. As outraged as we all are (including expats like myself), nothing is going to happen. I want to be wrong.

  51. Which country??? She doesn’t need T&T’s support because she and her deceitful mother made sure that they connived enough to get that spot. I wonder what was the price her mother paid to cement it? How low did she stoop to get her foot and whatever else through the TTGF board?

  52. Thats the truth. How can they really expect us to accept this poisoned decision.

  53. Would be great to hear from the actual members of the games committee and their legal advisor on this issue.
    We can go on forever with analogies. If the bank erroneously forecloses on my house and someone else buys it, do I eventually get my house back or do I get compensated in another way, if at all?
    I don’t think most of these analogies that people (myself included) are using are really very strong as they don’t seem to include an international governing body with the ability to impose sanctions that would affect more than the involved parties.

    • As I’ve said before, an analogy like yours is flawed because the house goes back to you, the rightful owner. Williams is not going to get the Olympic spot if it’s taken away from Dick. So it would just be a case of punishing Dick and no real benefit being transferred to anyone.

      • Earl Best

        It’s not punishing Dick; it’s STRIPPING her of her ill-gotten gains. And it’s not accurate to say that no real benefit would be transferred to anyone; what you mean is no real benefit would be transferred to anyone IN TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO, which, you keep failing to see, is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT.

        Jeezanages!

    • Like I said, I don’t think any of the analogies, mine included are very strong.

    • Erline Andrews, I disagree with the ‘no benefit’ part. I think I prefer that the country’s reputation for fairplay, integrity and good sportsmanship be kept in tact.

    • Kysmyk Lee It would not be fair to punish Dick if she did no wrong. I think this is the crux of the disagreement here.

    • Erline Andrews you can’t tell me that she did no wrong. Doing right is stepping down knowing fully well that what was done to Thema was wrong. Because her hands are not dirty does not mean that she is deserving.

    • Erline Andrews, did Marisa not say in an interview that it was ‘cutthroat time’ even AFTER Thema had already earned the spot? Did Marisa not say in another interview, with confidence, that Thema was injured, even though she is no doctor and no certificate was seen or produced? Marisa knew exactly what was going on and she had a hand (through her mother) in orchestrating every deceitful decision made.

    • Erline, I don’t know how many times to say this. But let me ask you: You do know that your sense of fairplay and whether Dick did something wrong is irrelevant right?
      I mean of course you are entitled to an opinion. But I just want to be clear whether you think that is a legal opinion that Dick cannot lose her spot. Or whether it is just an emotional one.
      Because I’ve lost track of how many times I told you that it is NOT a legal fact that she cannot lose the place unless she is personally culpable. And yet I keep seeing you repeat it.

    • Lasana Liburd Of course they can take the spot from her, but she wouldn’t have grounds to sue?

    • I think people continue to care about this out of a sense of vindictiveness towards Marisa. I don’t know why they can’t walk away. Don’t support Marisa and walk away

    • Erline I believe you are misreading the public sentiment entirely. You are mistaking outrage and an abhorrence of injustice to mean “vindictiveness” toward Marisa. I dare say there have been a few misguided souls who literally wish her harm. But the majority of right thinking citizens of which I consider myself numbered really do not want Marisa Dick representing us at the Olympics. “Her” spot was gained by conniving and scheming and to make matters worse it was gained by stepping on the back of the rightful athlete. She is the benefactor of a stolen dream. For this reason we don’t think she is deserving of the place she has “wrongfully” earned for team TTO. Our conscience will not allow us to reward scheming and deceit with support for our first gymnastic representative. It is poisoned fruit and we want no part of it. If she miraculously won a medal it would bring us no joy whatsoever. This is not vindictiveness. ..it is called righteous indignation. I have to say it is sometimes baffling that most of this goes above you. Everyone is entitled to an opinion on this matter and clearly yours is that we should support Dick because she’s earned a place for us. You do know that in her “heart”.. the place she earned is for herself and her real country right?

    • Erline, Thema can sue too. And don’t mistake silence from resignation on her part. The fact remains her spot can be taken away whether or not she was culpable.
      I’m relieved to finally hear you suggest so and I hope you keep it in mind when you post on subject.

  54. I wish you’d get someone with legal experience to comment on this, Lasana. Because to my mind, using the analogy in the letter, if a qualified person is hired for a job, then afterward the selection process was found to be flawed, it is not fair and just to nullify the person’s employment contract. i don’t think such a move would be upheld by a court.

    • Akins Olatunji Vidale, what do you think? Or St Bryan St Louis?

    • Say it was found that a State board had been hiring based on race, do all the people they hired lose their jobs? To my mind – no.

    • Once the people hired were qualified.

    • As Chabeth said, I’m not sure when the analogy might work and when it won’t. But I think the gymnastics matter is much simpler.
      The TTOC said among its checklists is the procedure used in the selection of the athlete.
      So there really is no question as to whether Marisa Dick could not have been selected despite presumably doing no wrong.
      That has already been spelt out in black and white. The TTOC had the power not to select her but choose another route. And it had nothing to do with whether or not she was culpable.

    • I think the gymnastics situation is simpler morally.
      Clearly there’s something that we’re missing legally though. Unless we’re missing another connection somewhere or something.
      But TTOC had sound legal advice.

    • Believe me when I say I have heard from a Senior Counsel who has a different impression though.
      It is absolutely not clear cut.

    • I’m sure legal minds would be split on the issue.
      So maybe the games committee erred on the side of caution. Idk.

    • Lasana Anyone who feels that they were treated unfairly or discriminated against has the option to seek legal redress and this could apply to both Marisa and Thema. But like I said in an earlier post, something is missing from this entire episode.

    • I agree Chabeth. And I also think things are missing Bryan. But anything relevant to the case though?
      In other words, since we have a contract in this matter. Is there anything you can think of that is necessary to rule on the case that you haven’t seen yet?

  55. Technically we are not your country Miss Canadian at heart so we don’t necessarily need to support you. Just saying

  56. AMEN Agreed 100%. The tsunami of dishonesty swept away intergrity and fairness.

  57. The author sets it out properly. Just because we had the last government appointing unqualified persons, Wade getting a degree, the issuance of contracts to parties not providing the best quote, etc., it is time to put T&T back on the ‘correct’ path. This will be started with the TTOC not sending anyone for gymnastics. I don’t, however, agree with marching over this when we have many more important issues to deal with.

  58. I will support any action which will send THEMA WILLIAMS to represent us, the citizens of Trinidad and Tobago, at the Rio Olympic Games 2016.

    Sign me up now!

  59. This is normal behavior in our country, it’s all about how to manipulate the system for your benefit, all that bs bout hard work and honesty pays off…..isn’t true. That’s why the crime rate is where it is and our society are filled with angry, frustrated ppl. Equity, justice and integrity no longer exist.

  60. well, he doesn’t have to tell me twice….but I want him to know that the question he asked is already happening in this country…..jobs are advertised all the time and the best person isn’t chosen because of a “flawed selection process”….SMH, if only we all knew what some of our citizens face on a daily basis

    • Correct is right. This only received attention because of the very public nature of the arena in which it played off. Unfortunately, we who see the hell on a regular basis where discrimination is rampant aren’t so fortunate…