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Say what I95.5?! Women respond to “feminist” attacks after Tim Kee scandal

The following open letter is directed to Ralph Maraj and Darian Marcelle for alleged comments made towards women activists and feminists during “The Afternoon Drive” on I95.5 FM.

This letter was sent by: Jacquie Burgess, Merle Hodge, Dr Sheila Rampersad, Attillah Springer, Eintou Springer, Folade Mutota and Verna St Rose Greaves.

Photo: Protests against Port of Spain mayor Raymond Tim Kee in Woodford Square. (Courtesy Facebook)
Photo: Protests against Port of Spain mayor Raymond Tim Kee in Woodford Square.
(Courtesy Facebook)

An open letter to the hosts of The Afternoon Drive on I95.5FM:

Gentlemen,

You really need to inform yourselves a little better before you wash your mouth on specific people or groups in our society, as you have done in this week beginning 15 February 2016.

You have been freely insulting the women who demonstrated to demand Mayor Tim Kee’s resignation, with your onslaught spreading to women activists in general/ the women’s movement/ feminists.

(As an aside, men who utter the word “feminist” as though they were cussing, or spitting out phlegm, are often those who harbour some insecurity about their manness.)

Your discourse betrays a great haziness about women’s activism in Trinidad and Tobago. As media practitioners speaking from an influential public platform, it is your responsibility to be informed before you speak.

Photo: Late Japanese pannist Asami Nagakiya performs with Silver Stars at the 2016 Panorama. (Courtesy Facebook)
Photo: Late Japanese pannist Asami Nagakiya performs with Silver Stars at the 2016 Panorama.
(Courtesy Facebook)

Perhaps, though, it is easier to just grab on to the name of one visible activist—Hazel Brown—and constantly demonise her.

“Not a word from Hazel Brown,” says Mr Marcelle, referring to some issue he thinks she should be speaking out on.

You renting Hazel mouth? What obligation does she have to speak at your behest?

It is the most dotish thing to hear talk show hosts using up precious air time to foam at the mouth about who should be saying what on which issue, and cussing them for not doing so.

You gentlemen are accusing us of having no interest in domestic violence, because we haven’t organised any demonstration against the abuse suffered by Ms Rachael Sukhdeo.

You even want us to go and protest against the killing of Mr Clement in Moruga, as a “real issue” for us to tackle.

Photo: Late journalist and television host, Marcia Henville. (Courtesy Mark Lyndersay)
Photo: Late journalist and television host, Marcia Henville.
(Courtesy Mark Lyndersay)

The sentiments of Mr Ralph Maraj: The abuse of Rachael Sukhdeo is a “juicy case,” such an excellent opportunity for women’s rights activists; but these activists are not genuinely concerned about abused women. 

Why don’t you women mount some kind of public awareness campaign about domestic violence? It’s not too late. You can still do it.

Well, Ralph Maraj, who died and put you in charge of our workplan and our modus operandi? How condescending, how presumptuous!

You don’t know who we are, what we do, or what we have done, but you want to tell us what the real issues for us are and what to do about them?

So we don’t have brains of our own?

Photo: Former PNM Minister Ralph Maraj (right). (Courtesy Guardian.co.tt)
Photo: Former PNM Minister Ralph Maraj (right).
(Courtesy Guardian.co.tt)

For your information, it is decades of public awareness work by women activists, impacting on people’s thinking as well as on public policy, that have led to the following:

  • That you gentlemen in the studio have the consciousness that you do today about domestic violence and (hopefully) other gender issues. Don’t take it for granted, or assume that this consciousness has always been part of the society’s thinking.
  • That there is legislation in place today about domestic violence.
  • That training has been done among police officers to equip them for dealing with domestic violence.
  • That shelters and counselling centres have been set up by NGOs, mostly through the activism of women, for people affected by family violence.
  • That certain institutions have come into existence, such as the Rape Crisis Society; the Police Child Protection Unit; the Police Witness and Victim Support Unit; the Family Court; the UWI Institute for Gender and Development Studies; the Ministry of Gender and Child Development; and the Children’s Authority.
  • That there now exists protection for children in the Children Act (2012); the Children’s Authority Act; the Children’s Community Residences, Foster Care and Nurseries Act; and the Adoption of Children (Amendment) Act.
  • That any women at all are now emboldened to speak out about being abused and to seek help.
Photo: A female victim of domestic abuse.
Photo: A female victim of domestic abuse.

We work quietly. These are some of our strategies:

  • We go all over the country and hold workshops and conversations with groups of people in their communities.
  • We work through vigils, popular theatre, the media.
  • We engage in lobbying and advocacy.
  • We commemorate relevant UN days of observance, for example, International Women’s Day (March 8), and the Day for the Elimination of Violence Against Women (November 25), involving, among other activities, a march through Port of Spain, with some men along the route telling us (like you) what we should be doing, e.g. “Why allyuh don’t go home and cook allyuh husband food.”
Photo: A woman cowers in the face of her assailant in the depiction of a domestic abuse incident.
Photo: A woman cowers in the face of her assailant in the depiction of a domestic abuse incident.

We don’t often make use of the street demonstration strategy, but when we find it necessary, we do. We, not you, will determine that.

You expect of us a street demonstration for each situation of domestic violence. Do you have any idea of the volume of such situations?

Please, let us decide for ourselves how we are going to use the energy and the minimal resources that we have. Don’t dictate to us.

You gentlemen want to give us instructions regarding what to do about domestic violence, but what are you doing about it?

Violence against women is not an issue for only women to act upon. The Rape Crisis Society, for example, has been trying to get more men to come in and be trained as volunteer counsellors to staff their hotline call centre.

Photo: A victim of domestic violence. (Courtesy Batchwilliams.com)
Photo: A victim of domestic violence.
(Courtesy Batchwilliams.com)

The men who have been working with Rape Crisis over the years are to be highly commended; but there is room for many more.

Tell us: what work have you done?

The women who demonstrated are seen by Mr Marcelle as having done it “to fulfil agendas of their own—political and other agendas.”

Well, Mr Marcelle, you have, indeed, done your darnedest to politicise the event, reducing it to a PNM-versus-the-enemy affair. Do you think we give a rat’s tail that Mr Tim Kee is PNM?

Do you think women would have failed to protest against what he said if he were UNC or of some other persuasion?

Photo: Former Port of Spain mayor Raymond Tim Kee (second from left) and councillor Farai Hove Masaisai. (Courtesy Farai Hove Masaisai/Facebook)
Photo: Former Port of Spain mayor Raymond Tim Kee (second from left) and councillor Farai Hove Masaisai.
(Courtesy Farai Hove Masaisai/Facebook)

The “political agenda” accusation is an unfortunate, uninformed and insulting one, but predictable. What is harder to fathom is your impassioned cry: “Don’t let those people take us to Sodom and Gomorrah!”

Say what, Mr Marcelle?

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  1. To darians defense he always stated that the mayor’s words for some time has been out if timing. However we as Trini’s have been taking things way to personal instead of raising serious questions on and about issues within a society where by the institutions of churches are replaced by clubs devaluing the necessities of virtues we seek to trivialize politicize demonize and look for soft targets. This is not a situation where u could choose a side for backing the mayor 95.5 or feminists it is one where people should be more sensitive and bachanalise situations and look for positive results. The only good thing that came out is that Tim kee resigned. But where are the killers and how do we prevent future atrocities from occuring . crickets continue to chirp cause the silence continues on serious matters

  2. They deliberately morphed his words into something totally different to suit their pointless agenda.

  3. Strange ! people demanding their right , but protesting any one who dare talk .this is just the start

  4. they said they will protest what they want to protest, no one can tell them what they should protest, so they making decisions as to what is an important woman’s issue as to what is not, I think they should protest the killing of the foreigner on our soil,but instead what was worrying to them was what the mayor said, it never bothered them that an innocent woman was killed

  5. Heard just the beginning of the broadcast and when I heard the disdain in the way the words ‘feminist” and ‘woman’s activist’were pronounced, I knew where this was going and I changed stations. Unfortunately it seems I was correct. SMH.

  6. So once you do not agree with them yuh dotish. Well I will be dotish. Ring bell Verna lost her wuk because she wanted to stop minors from getting married. The number of years this poor lady said she was abused indicates that she involved since she is a minor. Even if she was not married. This was a perfect opportunity to return to the issue. So we make all yuh out. You still have a right to decide what you will accept or not accept.

  7. Darren an Ralph is two dumb asses

  8. you’ll does choose what to act for

  9. they claim to have as their agenda the equal treatment of all..but when a women is before the courts for child abuse..they scream she was a victim too and needs counseling not punishment…but a man for the same charge… they and their supporters chant”hang him in woodford square”…. Any man worth his salt will have nothing to do with them

  10. Men placed clocks on stoves so that women will know the time too, and now they are saying that they are not being treated equally! What more do you want! They’ve been allowed permission to drive, so that they can go to the grocery and return home quickly, and they are still angry.

    Where is the thanks?

    Seriously though, I thought I would have heard from the feminists on Dr. Rowley’s cassava discourse, but I didn’t…..guess it was ok for him to say it.

  11. Reading the language of this letter from WOMANTRA is in keeping with the groups BULLYING of ‘soft targets’ and complete lack of interest in ALL women.

    First sentence in their letter they maintain the collective nature of their condescending and Sexist agenda – telling MEN to ‘wash their mouths’. SMH. How mature would it be for men to tell women to do same?

    The tone of the letter is in complete keeping with their agenda. Calling the Men ‘dotish’, ‘who died and made you…’, and I am sure more as the digusting and vile tone of the letter by then was sufficient and repugnant for me to stop reading.

    As I have told other females – before you report any matter be sure to bathe in some water based White paint if you expect the support of WOMANTRA.

  12. Those ladies have real patience to respond to Ralph Maraj. I would have just said Hush allyuh stink mouth!

  13. some people really live in bliss with their ignorance

  14. A man beating a woman is a criminal matter hence the absolute folly of having a march/demonstration/protest every time such a horrible incident occurs. Those are matters best addressed by the police, courts etc etc.
    A mayor making an outrageous statement about a group of people (in this case female victims) is not a criminal matter hence the logic of engaging in civil action via the form of a march/demonstration/protest.
    People injecting race and skin colour into this have issues that are just wow…
    Nobody is picking and choosing which female situation to protest based on race and skin colour. The choice is being made based on logic and what best serves the desired outcome. And probably also what is just downright practical. If ppl think there can be a march/demonstration/protest for every female victim of domestic abuse in this country then people are gleefully misguided regarding the prevalence of violence against women.

  15. I have to say that people aren’t developed enough in terms of brain usage in this country. They are too used to accepting nonsense from all and sundry and not questioning it because it’s what has always been said.

  16. so by this letter is seems men have not contributed to gender nor women’s issues in TNT– but again I believe the concern is why some causes are deemed more significant than others -maybe it is because the activism was in the comfort of an area before the Lighthouse, maybe the international attention and it was a foreign light skinned woman to capture the attention of the ‘west crowd’ . At the end of the day more advocacy has to be done and beyond writing a letter for women, men, children and cats.

  17. Ralph Maraj and Darian Marcel are passé. Why are we wasting our time with them here?

  18. ……these women are picking and choosing which woman deserve their protesting time….it is as simple as that….

  19. Jedd…feminist will literally silence men if they continue with this shit. People have a right to an opinion. Ignore it if u don’t like it. Stop being so sensitive.

    • I appreciate more and more that a lot of females are toting unresolved issues and are in need of help.

      They are ganging up in an attempt to change their shame to rage, and are now using that rage to try and transfer their shame to males. And, since they cannot deal with their own issue, Gender Male would have to do.

      So, they are prepared to shower their Hate on all men. After all – ‘all man bad’ as they say.

  20. Nothing more than Canon fodder and thunder stealing.

  21. This feminist group making statements about the hosts ‘manness’, lol. But ranting about what… Like it is open season now ..anything goes.

  22. Only Hazel Brown didn’t issue this statement. I can’t remember seeing her make a press release at all.
    And if someone from the press got her number and gave her a call, then what can she say? God bless Ray?
    I agree with what you say about her having lost some moral authority in the last five years. But still…

  23. Hazel Brown is one of the messengers who will be shot on sight! I tell you we really have to be careful about killing all the messengers! Their problem is that their history over the last 5 years left them with no moral authority to make a statement about anything but they are in the position where statements will need to be made.

  24. The funny thing is I never saw this Tim Kee thing as a feminist matter really. Just common sense.
    What does it matter what a woman is wearing when she is murdered? And how can you make such flippant and uninformed presumptions about a woman’s behaviour and ask people to “let their imaginations roll” when asked about a murder in your city?
    That is just bleeding common sense to me.
    Somehow that enddc up with people bad talking Hazel Brown on the radio yes.
    Well, I lorse on this one. But say what. Can’t win them all.

  25. Yup, it’s time to wrap this up.

    I hope nobody on this forum or any members of your family ever has the misfortune to be assaulted. If they do (and I truly hope that does not happen) and they were brave enough to report it and put the cretin that did it to you or your family on trial, I hope that the vast majority of the people sitting on that jury are people who will look ONLY at the solid investigative evidence against the ACCUSED. Not looking at you or your family member who are the victims and making personal judgments about your lifestyle, your way of dress, your sexuality, your history and determining somewhere in the back of their mind that maybe you asked for it by not living up to standards they believe you should be living by.

    I can only imagine how many of our people have been denied justice because of that kind of mentality in our country. Not just women who were victims but men too.

  26. So who will set proper examples since our politicians have failed us

  27. We would like to acknowledge the outpouring of concern for Rachael Sukdeo following her posts yesterday detailing her abuse.

    We regret that her very public course of action functioned as a last resort, due to the inaction of the police force.

    Unfortunately we know that many women are dismissed by the authorities in similar instances and much work is needed in the area of gender training and sensitivity in cases of domestic abuse.

    We are hoping that other recent incidents such as the murder of Asami Nagakiya has highlighted the need for the extensive training of our government officials and protective services.

    Womantra is not a direct provider of services for domestic abuse victims but we do act as an information resource for folks who are in need of advice or direction on how to access services in an abusive situation.

    We have started building a resource document, which you can access in our group in the FILE section.

    WOMANTRA: https://www.facebook.com/groups/womantra/ —— —————- WHAT IS MORE CONDESCENDING AND HYPOCRITICAL THAN THIS ? HANDS OFF DARIAN MARCELLE IF THIS BUNCH OF MARAUDERS HIDING BEHIND FEMINISM WANT TO BE NOTICED THEY SHOULD GO LOOK FOR ANOTHER DEAD BODY . The largest carrtion crow among them sent an AUTISTIC FEMALE TO ST ANNS. And WHO IS HAZEL BROWN AGAIN ?

  28. And another thing, Mr. Marcelle–unlike you, not all of us have a political agenda.

  29. I am surprised that there are those who’d waste valuable time listening to the likes of those males of the species. Darian, in the formative years of his radio career would bray, “I love my country”; turns out that he loves his party much, much more.

  30. Eff eff eff eff eff eff eff !!!!!!!

  31. Cuz it have a heavy eff waiting under mih tongue and ah not sure how much longer it can be contained reading dotish comments

  32. Well, just scroll on by if you are fed up.

  33. Aye Lasana Liburd PLEASE STOP TAGGING ME IN ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS ISSUE PLEASE. AH FED UP NOW

  34. The police advise you that seeing there are bandits lurking around, do not leave your hadbag or laptop on you car seat because it will cause them to break in and remove it.
    In other words, do not tempt them into stealing your property.
    That is good advice that I follow religiously.

  35. Allyuh attack everybody who form an opinion against allyuh disgustung stinking behavior and political agenda, we make allyuh out, the aporoach allyuh taking will be very unpopular even with women.

  36. It is not your right to expose yourself on the road.
    If a woman walks the road like that now, the police will arrest her.
    Have you all forgotten that it is an offence to bare your body parts in public?

  37. Its like parking your car placing your laptop on the seat, and someone broke in stole it….is it right or wrong to place your laptop anywhere in your vehicle ????

  38. It is not your right to expose yourself on the road.
    If a woman walks the road like that now, the police will arrest her.
    Have you all forgotten that it is an offence to bare your body parts in public?

    • Nonsense. Much like the ability to jaywalk within city centers during carnival days, your point regarding costumes/ commercial apparel was legally rubbished years ago. Please read your national history before commenting further.

    • Yes, you are right that costumes were rubbished years ago.
      Look at this rubbish for example.

    • Melanie, I am not a major fan of ‘beads and bikini’ but I do know the costumes as intended are not illegal. For context, here I am looking quite ‘indecent’ and ‘arrestable’ by your standards on Jourvert morning . Should that be stopped too? Please respect the principle of civil freedoms. And besides, this is carnival! Self explanatory no?

    • I was speaking about nudity.
      It is an offence for a woman to bare her breasts and expose her butt in public.

    • Melina. That remains 1% of the total carnival playing population! If you have a problem with swimwear don’t just stop at carnival, let’s get to those beaches and stop the rot their as well! You have a problem with people’s behavior at carnival, I get that, but news flash: When was that ever NOT a problem at any carnival? Have the last word. That’s it for me for tonight. Just remember that your regular daily wear is presently considered indecent and offensive by a few faiths in our fun plural society. Think about that for a while.

    • Yup, this is winding down. My last word on this thing is, why does sexual assault and rape happen in countries where women are all covered up then? If your reasoning holds, women in Muslim countries should be the lowest victims of rape. Yet they have some of the highest numbers of rape (and that’s just those brave enough to report it, so it is probably much higher). This is despite having strict curfews, dress codes, no alcohol, no parties, no freedom to roam about as they please.

      Conversely, how come rapes are not sky high in the South of France on topless beaches? Women are walking around boobies bouncing free everywhere! G-string bikini bottoms. By goodness! The men should be sex-crazed, rape monsters just going WILD! I went to a topless beach in Brighton once. None of the men were harassing the women. How come?

      Clearly the common denominator is not the women or their dress. It’s the CALIBER OF MEN and the level of SAFETY and SOCIAL AWARENESS in the society as a whole. So why not tackle THAT as the issue? That seems to be the logical thing to do.

  39. WOMANTRA and these other feminist groups on real F*#*ery

  40. It is not your right to expose yourself on the road.
    If a woman walks the road like that now, the police will arrest her.
    Have you all forgotten that it is an offence to bare your body parts in public?

  41. Asami put up a fight according to the reports of her injuries. She is a human being, she has a will of her own, she has a consciousness, she can feel, she has emotions. No doubt she said no, she protested, she screamed.

    In order to assault and murder her, the perpetrator had to completely turn off EVERYTHING that was humane about them and COMPLETELY disregard her humanity and her autonomy as a person.

    It has NOTHING to do with her wearing a mas costume or whether she took a wine in the road or anything like that. It had to do with her having the unfortunate fate to run into a monster in a place where there was zero security where there should have been.

  42. You are being ridiculously childish.
    I never said that any woman looks to be raped!
    I am saying that we have a responsibility to protect ourselves from the multitude of thieves and rapists who are lurking out there.
    Would you walk through the savannah by yourself late at night?
    You must take personal responsibiluty for your own safety!

  43. Because I would hope you wouldn’t be victim Blaming if you were. Did you look for it?

  44. Women are not houses. They are human beings not inanimate objects. When another human chooses to HARM another human being, it is because they themselves are sub-human or so badly maladjusted they lack basic empathetic programming.

    You focus on THAT because THAT is what is wrong and maladjusted, not the victim.

  45. How do you know that I have never been a victim?

  46. Steups. Clearly you have been lucky to have never been a victim. I hope you never are.

  47. I advocate for victims too, it is my profession.

  48. And you give them more freedom to enter if you leave your door open.

  49. I am always advocating for victims. I help where and when I can.

  50. No no no Alana. You’re irresponsible for being a victim of a crime. What’s wrong with you people! !!!

  51. They will still enter. Open or not. I can say that because I have been the victim of multiple break-ins, stolen cars and other crimes. Locks and alarms did not deter them. Was I irresponsible? am I to blame? Was my lock responsible? Was the fact that I owned jewelry and electronics responsible? No. No. No. The perpetrators are responsible. They are the only ones responsible for committing the crime.

  52. It is your responsibility to lock your house if you don’t want thieves to enter!

  53. Where were you when that was happening?

  54. Where is Womantra when women are being brutalised by their husbands.
    One woman got kicked up in a video and not a peep out of them.
    They are hypocrites with an agenda to promote vulgarity in women!

    • Another fallacious argument. The “Super-hero Excuse”.

    • Their agenda is to promote vulgarity in women? If you really believe that …then I can’t take you seriously anymore because your emotion has replaced the logic …..

    • My emotion?
      It is Womantra that is being emotional.

    • Womantra says it’s a woman’s right to dress how they want.
      That is wrong because if you walk the road naked any other day than carnival day, the police will arrest you.
      It is an offence to bare your breasts and bottom in public!

    • Melina Hutchinson You would be too if a member of your family was found dead and instead of expressing condolences and pledging to do all he can to bring her attacker to justice, a public official started speechifying on vulgar behavior as if it had anything to do with why your relative is dead.

    • Melina Hutchinson Please stop with strawmen. That is NOT what they are saying. They are saying how a woman is dressed is NOT part of equation when commenting on her assault and murder and doing so shows a complete lack of awareness and comes off as blaming the victim.

    • The insinuation is that fingers shouldn’t be pointed at a woman because of how she is dressed when a crime of this manner has been committed to her. Regardless of how she is dressed it is not her fault it is not an invitation for murder. Truth be told if a man wants to murder a woman what she is wearing won’t curb his twisted intent …unless she’s wearing a blade or maybe a sharp looking pistol!

  55. And they would be breaking the law if they did. Open door is not open invitation.

  56. No one is saying it is an excuse to rape but remember, if you leave your house open thieves will come in.

  57. Basically THIS is the stance that was taken.

  58. Sorry, I just need to correct two fallacious statements.

    “They are demostrating to allow women the right to be vulgar on the road for carnival.”

    Nope. They were demonstrating against blaming violence against female victims on how they are dressed or behave instead of focusing on the PERPETRATOR OF THE VIOLENCE.

    “They feel that it’s a woman’s right to walk the road like this.”

    Nope. Nip slip aside, it already IS your right to walk the street like that. What they believe is nobody has the right to RAPE or ASSAULT you because you do nor can it be used to justify or excuse the crime or blame the victim for it happening.

    C’mon. If we are using strawmen and false equivalencies to make a case, it shows how weak the stance is.

    • Why is your opposition so committed to willful ignorance? You keep making the point, and she keeps ignoring it. I am not sure how we advance if this particular vein of stubbornness continues within the society.

      “Ah eh go talk to allyuh because yuh see how de media does twist we words!”

  59. believe it or not … it is your right!

  60. They feel that it’s a woman’s right to walk the road like this.

  61. Where was Womantra when Dr. Rowley’s deceased mother and the mother of his son were publicly humiliated and brought into disrepute.
    Where were they when all rape victims were shamed by Toppin?
    They are demostrating to allow women the right to be vulgar on the road for carnival.
    That’s all they are concerned about.

  62. I was totally disgusted by the programme yesterday. Those men were biased, uninformed and as offensive as former
    Mayor Tim Kee. Shame on them!

  63. Darian is a PNM stooge in a PNM radio station and once you understand that you understand him and his myopic opinions

  64. I think that his comments were blown out of context, he was being interviewed for his general view of this year’s carnival, not on the murder. I should not resigned. The fact still remain women still needs to know how to dress and carry about themselves. And that was his point.

  65. What r they doing… They are nauseating. Everybody who wants to see … know they have a political agenda.. Ughhhh! If they want help then tell them to make their FB page public!

  66. These ladies have gone to a Bridge too far

  67. Additionally some folks are conflating advocacy with direct service provision. There are entities that focus on advocacy but not on service provision in the traditional sense. And vice versa. Nothing unusual about that.

  68. The difference between Asami’s case and the recent domestic violence may be that it is guaranteed that yearly several times/year a women’s group speaks about domestic violence issues. Thus, there was nothing necessarily new to urgently say on that specific incident. It does not however mean that the issue is not still live and of grave concern. But in Asami’s case a Mayor was asked to comment on the death of a female foreigner and somehow connected lewdness of women and alcohol consumption during Carnival time to her murder. That is not something we often hear. Thus, that may have been deemed comment and protest worthy.

  69. Is Lent ….. no fete so feminism trending!

  70. I know the hypocrisy of these kinds of men because I was raised by one. On the surface and for religious appearances they like to talk this “Female must be submissive” thing and push all that regressive, misogynistic nonsense. Some even ill-treat their wives.

    But when it come to their OWN daughters, they don’t want men treating them the way they and other men treat women. Make sure you get your education. Make sure you independent. Make sure you don’t need a man for anything. Own your own land and property. Don’t take any crap from any man. If any person try to call THEIR daughter a slut, they would defend her tooth and nail, regardless.

    So believe me, they KNOW better. Is just a sociopathic, cognitive dissonance with them when it comes to their OWN male ego and THEIR relationships with women.

  71. Are we going to see another demonstration asking for the radio talk show hosts to resign?
    Whatever happened to our fundamental right to freedom of speech?

    • Serious conflation of issues. Of course the talk show hosts are free to spout whatever misogynistic nonsense they want.

      Just as we are free to criticize it.

      Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from criticism or consequences of your speech. I have no idea why people think that a massive outcry against what they have said means they’ve lost their right to say what they want to say.

      A public official however, giving an official statement on a crime involving an international guest, and making totally inappropriate remarks that sparks international outrage, will come with consequences. That is just the way it is.

    • It appears that only Womantra has freedom of speech now.
      I saw some of them with placards saying RAYMOND TIM KEE HATES WOMEN, DON’T TELL US HOW TO DRESS AND TIM KEE SAID ASAMI DIED BECAUSE SHE WAS VULGAR.
      They had their say and distorted the facts but vex because other people have their own views on the issue now.

    • I am not Womantra, nor part of it.

      Womantra is not the SUM of everything or all the women’s groups nor represent all the feminists who were outraged by this, so….

      My point is, everyone has the right to respond to everyone’s free speech. It is a constant back and forth. Womantra were expressing their views. Tim Kee was expressing his. The radio hosts were expressing theirs. I am expressing mine. You are expressing yours.

      Free speech for EVERYONE! However not free consequences. Public officials are held to different standards than activists and so are radio hosts.

    • Melina your logic is flawed. Do some research on the group, before you question their intent. I’m all for debate, but come with your facts nah

    • Where was Womantra when Dr. Rowley’s deceased mother and the mother of his son were publicly humiliated and brought into disrepute.
      Where were they when all rape victims were shamed by Toppin?
      They are demostrating to allow women the right to be vulgar on the road for carnival.
      That’s all they are concerned about.

    • Are those enough facts for you Jeremy?

    • More important question: where were you?

  72. Darian, ironically, just said ” we will not allow these people to set our standards for us.”

  73. Yes, yesterday’s show was very vexatious…. Smh

  74. WHY THE HELL THEY EN CALL ON SKAMLIAR WHEN SHE SAT AN ALLOW TOPPING TO THE PRESENT PM MOTHER , NOT FORGETTING ONE OF HER MINISTERS HAD A ACCOUNTANT PLACE IN ST ANNS AN ANOTHER ONE HIT A FEMALE IN ONE OF THE COUNTRIES MALLS CAR PARK ONE SIDED SCALE CARRIERS ARE THEY .

  75. And people ask me why I don’t listen to talk radio.

  76. There are multiple groups involved. Some new, some not so new. Are folks saying that it matters whether a group started last week or ten years ago to highlight gender issues? Must a group protest based on their stated beliefs or the beliefs of others?? Not quite sure what the debate is?

  77. People think calling someone a ‘feminist’ is an insult. LOL.

    Judy Raymond challenged a SENIOR male member of Parliament (I won’t name names) who was insisting that female rape victims should be charged with obstruction of justice if they do not submit to a rape exam immediately after the rape (those who know what a rape exam is, it is very invasive). She tried to explain to the man that immediately after a rape a woman is often too traumatized to go through something like that and should not be penalized if she cannot do it. The senior male member of Parliament sneered, “You are one of those FEMINISTS? eh,” as if it were an insult.

    Yes folks, we have Neanderthals in positions of power who are CLUELESS! Is like they have no wives, sisters and daughters.

  78. They have nothing better to do with their lives.

  79. Womantra has been in active existence for years in this country. They have been conducting seminars, mentoring programmes, senitisation workshops and other activities. They were active well before the Aria matter, but this Tim Kee issue has probably brought them the most headlines and attention thus far. As with any civil society group, they cannot be expected to cover an entire sector but given the attention their cause has been getting it can be expected that they would become more visible and active. As with children’s safety, HIV, disability and other important causes sometimes it takes a particular major case or controversy to bring an organisation to full national attention. As for the name calling against members of the group, I know Jackie Burgess working tirelessly in the field for decades and Merle Hodge is another for whom I have great respect. Those who don’t think the group is doing enough are free to join them or to start additional programmes or to advocate and act on a different approach. This is a diverse little country and there are hundreds of groups and NGOs simply trying in their own way to make a difference to issues that affect them. Even if we don’t agree with them we don’t have to scorn, denigrate or hate them.

  80. Marcella is part of the PNM cult and everything that comes out that radio station is tainted

  81. Feminism does trend sporadically boy.
    Like it eh have enough fete during lent!

  82. Nah that’s going too far. Question motive and MO but the name calling isn’t necessary.

  83. Because you didn’t hear of them doesn’t necessarily mean they didn’t make a sound. I’m not a group member and I cannot speak for them or their work plan.
    But I’m just intrigued by the responses.

  84. Where were these so called activists when Mrs. Alleyne-Toppin brought accusations of rape to parliament or when a certain mayor man handled his wife in a south shopping mall car park or when Mr Sharma allegedly put his hands on the woman or when Dr. Ramadharsingh inappropriately touched the air hostess should I go on or do we see that they picking and choosing what to protest for why haven’t they protest for that mother of two who was beaten by a prominent businessman come on people

  85. They claim they’ve been silently working in the background, but to be honest I’ve NEVER heard of them or their work before. So why did Womantra then only choose to come out when the Aria issue arose? What made that scenario so important an issue that they needed to mount a protest? Weren’t other issues before it just as important? Or is it that it only resonated with them at that point?

  86. If we want more to be done for gender issues, then why attack those who are doing something? Why not help them instead?

  87. All these women who are protesting, where are there husbands?

  88. There is a lot more to be done and a lot more that should be highlighted in gender issues. We all agree on that.
    My question is: Why attack the only people who are actually doing anything?

  89. Ppl should just be free to express their views…even if we totally disagree…freedom of expression is a right that shouldn’t be trivialized…. Both sides of the argument need to just ignore what they disagree with

  90. I cannot remember seeing Springer, Hazel making demands that Sharma go? The citizens did not to mention no body had a problem when Sat said it was a domestic affair.

  91. We might have just forgotten what was said over issues like Chandresh Sharma, for instance.

  92. I not on the Japanese issue but coming right after that issue they should have said something. All that they did they were quite when Kams was in power. I do not want to hear or see them.

    • so which one is it Joanne, which one do u believe is true? You said that they/we never said anything about other issues but then you just said a lot of people work discreetly. Some of the elder women that you have named have been working publicly and privately for several years. Also, just pause for a second and look, you say where were these young women when this and that was going on? BUT JUST LOOK! We are young women, many of us are in our twenties, where have we been? Some in school, some of us were simply growing up but now that we are ..we see how we can live in a society where vernella toppin can victim shame the alleged victims of a rape (both mother and child) and yet elder women in our society like JOANNE did/said nothing, we sat and watched public official after public official disrespect their office and citizenry especially women while elder women like you sat back for years; election after election and never DID ANYTHING. so its ok, we can bare it, we can be forced to grow up, we can try to stand for change in our society AND we WILL bare all the negative backlash and literal threats to safety while doing it. We will at least attempt the make changes to ALL those things that you saw yet did nothing, we will be both voice and beating horse, for you, for your daughters and for all of us.

  93. I appreciate both sides of the argument, but when you have people like Christlyn Moore who was in no better position to address the abuse of women in our society while holding the positions of Senator and no less than Minister of Justice, suddenly clawing for a platform, i can see how people would be more than suspicious of motive here. That said, I am happy as a ‘civilized’ society we are having this conversation.

  94. But they listed a whole heap of things they did prior to Asami. Doesn’t that address the concern that they only care about Japanese pannists?

  95. I have absolutely no problem for standing up for rights and being the voice of the voiceless. But it should be equal treatment for all issues. There have been glaring issues in the not so long past and they never once voiced a concern or protested. If you claim to be an advocate for women’s right, then your effort should be for all.

  96. Peter, isn’t that like saying–if the police make a breakthrough in one case–what about this case or that case?
    Is it practical that any group can respond to every single case?

  97. it has ever been thus, women divided…..

  98. It’s pretty obvious this group only responds when someone says something to hurt their feelings or personal beliefs. When it comes to a very serious issue they are very silent. Hypocritical and convenient. Clearly they’re only in it when media exposure is guaranteed. And of course the media thinks it’s fun to facilitate them

  99. They have been exposed as the biggest clowns in towns. These women are the clowns who do not need a suit. Even before Tim Key they all had laryngitis so I eh want to hear or see them.

    • Sheila Rampersad, Verna St. Rose etc ‘had laryngytis’? I posit instead madam that you have been both blind and deaf.

      You know, at some point we have to acknowledge that ignorance is criminal.

  100. I’m not one to take sides but this thing where if something happens a this group doesn’t protest it is bs to me ….clearly they can’t protest everything and everyone but the biggest hypocracy is these idiots who push this and they’re not doing a damn thing themselves …… they to me are bonafide clowns!!

  101. Not “Merry ah word” bout Mrs Sukhdeo abuse but they can reply to pertinent questions by the public …..???
    Not only radio hosts asking where are they because on the Red station ppl were calling n giving their views , asking questions and ripping apart the grp , so why address the radio hosts alone is ah bit perplexing ……

  102. Why you change station of they tlking the truth ….???
    They were asking where is the Feminists grp Womantra for the Central woman beating by here husband ? How come they have not venture down there to support the VICTIM and if that’s a bad question well well smh ….

  103. I applaud you ladies 100%
    Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

  104. but wait nah any of these women have reach out to sherons after all the battering she get or is it that she is of a lower class

  105. Lemme ask this though…how exactly does IGDS rationalise its press release today and the lack thereof for a bunch of other similar issues in recent years? Like seriously?

  106. I had to change the station. It was “cringe worthy” radio. Expected a bit more from the hosts..

  107. “Organise and talk to women and get evidence to give to the police” is one of the suggestions which was given by a caller. In response to a call by all 3 fellas (not gentlemen) for these women’s groups to do something. As if evidence submitted by vigilantes is somehow admissible in court. Or perhaps they should have protested outside the police station to compel the officers to make an arrest without evidence?

    • I expect nothing better from you as just like themselves the real issue is not GENDER ISSUES. Ask one of them if they KNOW where a safe house is in T&T for battered wives/husbands. I dare you to ask them. They will all blame the government for doing nothing but they themselves has done NOTHING to force the government to do anything . LIKE PROTESTING. STEUPS

    • Hi! First, thanks for the response: I enjoy talking about issues pertaining to our country. I deeply regret that I have done something to cause you to have low expectations of me. I hope to at least meet even these diminished expectations. Now I don’t recall anyone blaming the government. But even if someone was, surely the fact that both the Prime Minister and the Chairman of the party agreed that Tim kee should go would change that from “blaming” to “agreeing with” no? If I’m wrong, then I’m sorry that I let you down Sarah.

  108. See this is why u have to act like u don’t support what comes from your mouth