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Discussion: Does Rowley’s offer of drinks to Faine merit a national conversation?

In a recent TV6 interview entitled “All Things Considered” and meant to be a mid-term review of Prime Minister Dr Keith Rowley’s administration, there was a brief exchange between the Prime Minister and reporter Faine Richards.

Faine Richards: Prime Minister, I’d like to move the conversation to a more social climate; you look on social media…

Dr Keith Rowley (interjecting with a broad grin): We should have some drinks then.

Richards: Well, perhaps of the non-alcoholic flavour.

Rowley: Well, that is not a drink.

Photo: Trinidad and Tobago Prime Minister Dr Keith Rowley.
(Copyright Andrea De Silva)

The 14-second snippet caused a stir on social media where comments flowed as to whether it was an inappropriate remark by Rowley or much ado about nothing.

Is this an opportunity to discuss what is permissible “ole talk” between men and women in the workplace? Or is Rowley being attacked purely because of his position at the helm of the ruling PNM Administration?

Read the comments below and share your own thoughts.

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  1. So the prime minister offers a drink to a female reporter and that’s a big crime? Well If you have nothing better to do, I have!

  2. I am not partisan by any stretch of the Imagination and I am not pleased by the stupidity of Dr Rowley’s comments and/or offer of drinks on Camera. When you hold the office that he holds, you need to present yourself at all times with highest level of Decorum. It was an “uncalled for” and ill advised verbal by the “Prime Minister of Trinidad & Tobago. These off the cuff comments are not becoming of the office. I have heard and seen other similar statements and comments in the past even in the recent past that were condemned and rightly so. We, the public did not see the off camera exchange, nor did we see Juhel in the discussion, thus the continued comments on and off Social Media. Whose fault is it?? I would suggest the Interviewers. I would go further to suggest that Ms Richards is now being seen in the same light as reporters were under the last administration. I think this is good for the development of our democracy and media.

  3. Something wrong with me.
    I have been socialized Real Different.
    But a lot of things Trini’s find funny aren’t to me, so that saves me.

    Trini’s laugh when someone falls or falters. When they are vulnerable abd emotional. At banal body jokes… Our comedy shows.

    But a big part of this is what sex is in this culture, right? I suspect?
    And the fluid nature of relations.

    Folk regularly — their friends, so such boundaries are unheard of.

    Plus the plantation thing…

    Just trying to explore all the dynamics.

    It can never change, cause there is so much acceptance for rogue and crude. Just laughter… So imagine the derision for those who on a different line.

    And that’s who the country hired to represent us. Crude and coarse

  4. Hahaha. That’s the tricky thing oui. I love an irreverent joke at least as much as anyone else. So when people say that Rowley doesn’t have to tell his Cabinet members to be on their Ps and Qs, it sounds like absolute nonsense.
    How would I know that a cheeky text I sent in the past might not come back to haunt me? It is a tricky time right now in gender affairs. The only people who are absolute certain of their righteousness seems to be political supporters.

  5. You know that comment to Nicole about learning what offends and what doesn’t made me think. Back when I worked in a office. I was in my 20s and I remember being creeped out when some guy asked me what are my statistics. In all my years of working that stands out as the most offensive thing I heard from a male co-worker. And I have heard sexually suggestive stuff from males that would make many women cringe but maybe because they came from people I joked and limed with it was like nothing. I once told a guy “last Saturday I was on my way to get a facial and I got in an accident”. He responded…”I does give facials too yuh know?”. And I laughed hilariously because we were cool like dat?

  6. Trinidadian too hypocritical

  7. For reasons I don’t need to go into, PM should play these encounters with a straight bat. As strictly professionally as he can manage.

  8. I’d love to hear from Faine how she felt about the moment. For me, although Rowley can sometimes be crass, and say the darnedest things, he’s savvy enough to know that he was in the middle of a TV recording. It was clumsy, it was awkward, it was maladroit, but I can’t for the life of me see that as a pass. But I’m not in Faine’s shoes, and I’d happily defer to her opinion of it.

    Chris Gayle was bang out of order. He hit on, patronised, and was a sexist jerk to a woman doing her job. Editors should make a lot of noise about stuff like that, when women reporters confront it.

  9. Lasana, it seems a bit overblown to me. He tried to make a joke and be light and it fell flat. This is not even as bad as the creepy “Don’t blush, baby,” Chris Gayle comment, but in this #metoo moment, I get why people are hypervigilant. Still, this seems like a non-story to me.

  10. Omg. Lasana Liburd would not like to know of the phone calls but I will leave dat there.

  11. many women talk that way with men and men dont complain lol…are men going to start to report women for sexual harassment? NO

  12. By the way, this is what Chris Gayle infamously said to the female Australian reporter:
    “Your eyes are beautiful, hopefully we can win this game and then we can have a drink after as well. Don’t blush, baby.”
    Notice he never explicitly asked her for sex. I see some people are suggesting that unless the man specifically asks for sex then there is no question of inappropriateness. I don’t know where we got that idea from.

  13. Yuh know what??The PM needs to go back to being a damn hog answering questions like a beast and going his damn way!!!Because no matter what he says or do there will be an issue!!!!Meanwhile half ah allyuh eh pay rent for the last two months,yuh could see yuh reflection to the back ah yuh fridge cuz it empty but taking Bligh from Bmobile to come on fb and wash allyuh mouth on a man that has worked damn hard to reach where he is!!!!!SMH!!And plenty of these reporters like tuh act like panty man and feminists just to get ah story…ah just the salary allyuh get worth allyuh damn soul!

  14. Does PM…offer an opportunity…? Isn’t this question somewhere over the line of responsible journalism? Should media sources be attempting to make news rather than report the facts as they happen?? Sadly this rush for ‘hits’ over ‘hurts’ masking as free speech is short lived judging from the beating New Media Executives took in appearing before US Congress on the ease of access from Russia’s election meddling. Just look at the cowardice positions of commentators here who in claiming free speech post the worst vitriol and disrespect to our leaders without fear of consequence. A reckoning is coming and in the end it is ‘we’ who will be responsible for the outcome by our actions in the input…no one else.
    Sexual harassment is a very serious issue and has its genesis in slavery when slaves were legal non-persons and as property women were subjected to some of the worst indecencies at the hands of their masters. It translated into work arrangements where a similar pathology existed for women and now here we are… there are many silent sufferers of this social disease reinforced in the current period by power differences of exploitation…have serious healthy discussions where it matters most and encourage discussion that makes us all better persons.

  15. If this same event happened when Kamla was PM, people would say she’s an alcoholic and can’t get through an interview without vodka! People watching every syllable for a way to attack politicians. To me, Rowley was making a light hearted comment, nothing more.

    • There are fanatics on both sides and that makes it hard to discuss anything once a politician or political appointee is involved.
      For many, that is like a member of their immediate family.

    • Lasana Liburd I believe the PM should exercise more class and decorum becoming of his office. I am not about to say he should resign but he needs to guard his tongue. He need to understand that he is a significant Parent to many children in our Nation. KPB had her indiscretions as per Alcohol and was criticized and Dr. Dr Keith Rowley is not exempted.

  16. Nicole I thought so too. I figured we might even learn something from what offended people and what doesn’t.
    But the political rallying makes it very difficult to have a genuine talk about almost any matter.

  17. I’m getting very disappointed of all this propaganda….. my goodness….. really….. I now getting to realize why so many people do not have Facebook accounts. That is because too much propaganda and hate is shared ….nah man

  18. I wonder how much of a pass Rowley or Kamla would’ve got if they had made similar statements as Trump does?

  19. Missed the interview and initial outrage but the commentary here has been really interesting.

  20. trinis are very convenient ….get used to their mind set

  21. That is the action of a Preditor, the Woman is married ..

  22. This is a.typical politically motivated and biased. question aimed at painting Dr.Rowley (and by extension all black men) as uncontrollable sexual beasts.Its racially biased and tries to demonize Dr.Rowley as a black man who cannot control himself from the “pretty fragile woman”.It reeks of pro-UNC nationalist marketing propaganda when they labelled him as “growley” and urged men to hide their women and children.

  23. Soooo my point in this question is the question is misleading…how does offering a reporter a drink lead to a discussion on sexually inappropriate behaviour? How does sexually even arise???

    • Nigel, you wouldn’t have missed the fact that this conversation has already started. Clearly the question doesn’t draw a conclusion. It just asks people to discuss in a mature way. But that seems to have been an overestimation of what is possible in this climate.
      Say you see no inappropriate behavior. My hope was that you would give your view as to what elements need to be there for it to be inappropriate. And maybe speak about our own culture as far as women in the workplace go and gender affairs.
      But maybe if the person who sparks this talk was a manager at KFC then conversation would be possible. So many Trinis see red whenever either of the two major political parties are mentioned.

    • Nothing to do with Red…My point is a man offering drinks to a woman in this context can lead to a discussion about inappropriateness..fine…to tie that to a discussion about sexually appropriate behaviour in the workplace to me at least is a bit of a stretch. It implies a man offering a woman drinks denotes sexual motive. And worst yet Faine’s comments on this said article even makes that stretch wider. Can we have a national discussion sure. It has been ongoing for months here and across the globe.

    • Men have been socialised (ironically often time by there every mothers) to see as “normal” sexually inappropriate behaviour with women. I think it will be eye opening if a camera was shown of all our lives we would fine ourselves at fault for things at the time we saw as no big deal. That also has to be part of the discussion the socially ingrained norms and how do we treat with that. Men are not genetically bred that way and there are societies where these incidences are minimal simply because the socialisation of men is far different. Once we men, society, parents et al accept our role in these incidences that have scarred many a woman over time then change will begin to happen.

    • Definitely Nigel. The term “sexual harassment” can be loose btw as most times sex isn’t explicitly offered. Chris Gayle didn’t ask the female Australian reporter for sex either. He asked her for drinks and complimented about her looks. He later apologised.
      My own opinion is that Rowley did not offend and did not cross the line into being gender inappropriate. Whether it was the right time and place for that quip is another story.
      But if this gets people talking about what should and shouldn’t be permissible then no problem. And you gave some good suggestions in your comment above.
      That’s definitely the conversation we need to have sooner or later.

    • I dont think Chris Gayle sexually harassed anyone, he was sexist and inappropriate…I just think in the now era anything a man says to a woman now somehow goes back to sexual intentions…because we dont look at each case by itself it always goes back to “men for decades have been…” and predicated on that so now all and sundry are guilty from the jump. Will an honest discussion be had from both sides? Maybe not….

    • A former deputy speaker in England tried to kiss a woman and she declined. He pulled away and that was that. He ended up being charge for sexual assault and even attempted rape! He won but it goes to show…

    • Really Lasana Liburd that is like comparing cheese and chalk…how the hell offering someone a drink in this instance is sexual harassment.. No its called hospitality and having manners…steups

    • Jashmin, calm down… take a deep breath… It is not meant to be a comparison. It is an example of how sexual harassment can be perplexing. Nigel understands. But some people are just rushing in to defend their flag.

    • It’s also about knowing when to be professional…when to ‘let your hair down’…its not what you do it’s how you do it. But as you said Lasana Liburd that’s another discussion. It’s eminent that this would have sparked a discussion of some kind because it has been the theme internationally for some time now. Great point of views.

    • Hmmm…. to compare the scenario of an Mp kissing a woman and one offering someone a drink and to place both on the same level as sexual harassment leaves me to really wonder what was the real purpose behind this…..was it to spark a discussion as was stated or was it to maligned someone’s character ..again you missed it…you see my response is not about defending the flag …( again pandering to the gullible ) its about integrity.

    • Jashmin Sandy Lasana can take win with this one. Shakespeare knew us human beings well when he said: Much Ado about NOTHING. Must go and re-read my old Literature books – I’m sure I’ll find more ‘food for thought’ there, now that I’m witnessing the truisms found in those old books.

  24. Someone forgot what happened with gayle brought up drinks

  25. Just now in the not to distant future, women may start to complain that men no longer speak with them far less compliment them. Cause everything said is now taken out of context and interpreted as sexual harassment. There will be no more conversations about sex, period.

    • Steve St Louis you are so correct the days when men compliment women about their appearance is over, and all those women who dress in particular way had better think again

    • There are definitely times when remarks on appearance are inappropriate. There are definitely times when a compliment is not appreciated nor relevant.

      Conversations about sex are inappropriate whenever you don’t know the person you’re talking to, and know they are open to discussion. Period.

      There, now you have a clear guideline as to when you may talk sex with women. Is that too much?

    • Steve, you are far closer to the point than most. In some cases, it is straightforward like Christine said. But the thing is harassment is about how the woman interprets the message too.
      So something that would be harassment to one woman won’t be to another. That’s what makes it such an important talk to have as we try to find a safe space in the future.

    • And therin lies the problem. It is not universal or general agreement that sex conversations are inappropriate whenever you don’t know the person to whom you speak. So ah wonder who were the people that were aggressively trying to get the ministry of education to introduce sex education in schools?. So the persons or bandleaders that are giving out condoms for carnival with your costumes are being disrespectful? Thats why i believe the conversations are important, because there are no clear guidelines. Your opinion is respected Christine but i don’t know if you are speaking on behalf of the wider community.

    • The hypocrisy of my fellow trinis. Especially the females.

    • This is Chris Gayle’s comment to the Aussie reporter: ““Your eyes are beautiful, hopefully we can win this game and then we can have a drink after as well. Don’t blush, baby.”
      For some, textbook sexual harassment. For others, a perfect fine pass that the girl can either accept or not.
      I’d say we all need a lesson on what is appropriate behaviour and what isn’t. Because the downside is a significant portion of the country’s workforce might be subjected to things they should not be.
      And I’m pretty certain every group of men on the planet over 50 could do with a workshop.
      Although judging by some comments, Trinis have all the answers already.

  26. How he win elections in the first place?????

  27. And in other news, a man who demanded fellatio from a woman in exchange for a govt house and who grabbed a flight attendent breast while drunk is still the chairman of a regional corperation in this country.

  28. Anthony Elias Garvin Walters, the stage was set for this type of accusations when in 2015 the UNC set out to paint a picture of Dr Rowley as a lecherous man, we must not forget how they vilified his dead parents who could not defend themselves beyond the grave,they also got women to come forward and make wild allegations, who could every forget Madame Butterfly, the Journalist who claimed that he looked at the tattoo. I never forgot the statement by former Jamaican Prime Minister Bruce Golding in the Dudus Coke matter when he was accused of harbouring Coke. He said that when certain accusations are made against you even if you seek redress in the courts and is successful, the accusations form part of your DNA. Well this is exactly what they set out to do.

  29. Oh god please why do you all hate this man so geez

  30. Maybe u should read Faines response higher up in the thread. This is not an ISSUE as some ppl would have it.

  31. #bobsledding did the Nigerian girls place?

  32. This mountain that people are trying to construct out of a molehill, does it have caves big enough for me to crawl inside and live out the rest of my days?
    #humans #much_ado_about_nothing

  33. Lasana, just reading some of the comments on the website and boi, people real vex, but they have short memories

  34. Juhel and I were both offered drinks, during and after the interview. Ultimately none were supplied or consumed. But the offer was collective! This thing has been so deliberately misconstrued.

    • Thank you for clearing up this madness before it becomes Breaking News in this Small Island State.

    • But Faine, you were asking the question and he was responding to you. He looked directly at you…but whatever

    • Thank you Faine, these people and their one track mind.

    • Savitri Maharaj, as I said, the offer was repeated to the entire production crew when the shoot was done. We were having a three-way conversation.

    • Faine I saw people were sharing a lot of opinions on this and so I repeated what was said verbatim to see if it was possible to have a sensible discussion on it—IF anyone saw anything worth discussing.
      Who is deliberately misconstruing what happened?

    • Ok Faine, so the public didn’t see the private convo after the filming. I saw it in the interview and was ??

    • Savitri Maharaj you all real desperate boy. The person in question ( Ms Richards) nowwwww say it was repeated for all and she was not offended but u wanna insists that the pm disrespect her smh

    • Dada Pierre. He now realize they were made asses by their own party, so he’s in denial

    • They continue to grasp at so many straws by now they could start to weave yellow baskets, Geez what dishonest people. They reAlly expect to be taken seriously

    • Dianne Joseph they’re nasty and dangerous. Very well known for propaganda, because the gullible latch on to it, every time they spew it.

    • Dianne Joseph you know UNC gone desperate when they’re trying to tell the woman who was there, she witness what happened wrong :/

    • Why can’t they just say: “hey! I made a stupid mistake, I’m sorry” and move on? There is something to be said for those who can commit no wrong, nor can they accept when they have done wrong and can find no way to apology …

    • From some of the comments here, the PM was also right in calling some of you hyenas. Lasana, you have a great following

    • Savitry Maharaj needs to do something else with her life other than trolling FB to malign the PM and PNM. #getAlife

    • There is a mass slaying in Las Vegas and what happens next? The talk becomes one of gun laws. This is really not about Rowley or Faine. The exchange is just a segue way into another conversation we need to have one day. And that is what is and isn’t permissible between men and women in the workplace. The way the topic was framed intentionally doesn’t cast any aspersions. It just invites people to give an opinion.
      But a lot of people are not prepared to look past the personalities involved or wrongly think this is some kind of political attack.

    • Apart from interview being a hott mess on the part of Keith Rowley, I don’t think that offer should have been done on-camera. Unless the camera and editing folks were deliberately trying to depict the man as wholly inappropriate, it was uncouth for me.

    • I would not be as a leader of a country making offers of drinks to the Press on camera. Where in the flecking world does that happen?

    • and i think if they edited it out they would run the risk of being accused of making the Prime Minister’s image their business. And their job really is just to give us the best possible understanding of our Prime Minister and his plans.

    • I’m sure they took liberty with other parts of editing the video. But anyway, doesn’t the PM have a communications aide that can tell him what to do and how to adjust his behaviour? It is really mind-boggling.

    • You ever see Theresa May, Barack Obama, David Cameron, or any Prime Minister of a major country offer drinks to the Media anytime… why is it we have to be backayard and seem so ill-behaved? And this is what people think is part of “our culture” and so strongly defending?

    • Keston, Lasana, did you guys read the comments on this thread? See the nastiness and racism that stops us from progressing

    • Keston and Lasana, I don’t think the interview was edited, this is what Faine said above ^^^^^^ “….the offer was repeated to the entire production crew when the shoot was done. We were having a three-way conversation.”

    • Keston, this is what I’ve been saying. I’d never expect other world leaders to say what Dr. Rowley said on that interview. He is supposed to be a statesman, but maybe that’s too much to ask in my sweet T&T.

      (By the way, I don’t weave yellow baskets. I don’t understand why this issue is being made political by party sycophants. It’s very sad how racist people are being and letting party politics cloud their judgement.)

    • So Shurland James Jr. What is the criteria for one to be a true statesman and how does that come into question in this case.

    • So Faine Richards cleared the air and people are still trying to make something out of nothing. This is pure madness!

    • Dr. Rowley has made many statements which show him to have a crass attitude towards women. For example, his statement about women and grooming. The snippet of conversation with Mrs. Richards is definitely par for the course for our PM.

      There is no way a proper statement says “A woman is like a golf course, if you don’t groom it, it turns into a pasture.” Can you think of ANY world leader who would say something so ridiculous?

      Oh, and Dwayne, as criteria, I’d start with having respect for every citizen, man or woman.

    • Wait so showing hospitality and manners is now sexual harassment.. Then I should burn my bloody law books..because I clearly missed something in law school..on the contrary I need to remember we are dealing with numerous brain dead people in this country…yawning..steups..

    • No Lasana Liburd you are desperately looking for relevance from the gullible….propagandist

    • Jashmin, I can tell you are an expert on hospitality and good manners eh. Your post proves it. Lol.
      As for what you may or may not have missed in law school, I’m too polite to be critical. Thanks for stopping by to share your wisdom. It didn’t take long. Thanks for the effort.

    • Guess you character Mr Lasana Liburd is impeccable. Its shows from your article and many others..hmmm what a case of pot calling the kettle black. At least i said what i had to without being pretentious. Guess integrity in business does not rank very high for some people..all about the cheap sale..hmmm

    • Jashmin Sandy, the price of my integrity is something you also missed during law school? Lol. You are very loose with accusations for someone who claims to have attended law school. But, like you said, there might be some things you missed there eh. 😉

    • “Does Rowley’s offer of a drink to Faine merit a national discussion”..hummum…” on what is permissible old talk in the work place”..try proving that as grounds for sexual harassment ..take it to wordford square at least no order for cost will be made there..lol

    • In our culture it is not common to have a glass of wine (alcoholic) with a meal whether casually or on business but in several cultures across the world it is the norm to have a glass of red or white wine with one’s meal ( lunch or dinner) and offering to get someone such is neither inappropriate. In fact it may even be considered impolite to declined the offer……so i am wondering why this warrant a national discussion and inappropriate when one of the persons to whom this offer was made said otherwise..

    • Jashmin, you’re absolutely correct that culture does play a role. And as I said, what is permissible in France might not be in England.
      So we have to consider what is our marker here. And it would be wise for us to do so BEFORE we get into trouble.
      And for the record, I never said Rowley sexually harassed Faine. I said the opposite.
      What I did say is that the furore about the topic might be an opening to begin a talk about what we think is acceptable and what is isn’t.
      Some people took the cue and shared their opinions on the wider topic. Others didn’t. It is fine either way.

    • Keston K. Perry France, England …Thailand…could name others

    • Savitri Maharaj you are really really trying and trying to see something when nothing is there….sad

    • England? I live in England. Never seen that. It was also rhetorical.

  35. The headline starts with “Discussion”. Clearly, it’s not news. It’s meant to start a conversation. Do some people think at all before typing?

    • I just shake my head sometimes…

    • But the comments are conversations… there was also a preamble by the author so the comments are within context I reckon…it sends a msg that people saw no problem with what was said to the journalist and maybe it’s being blown out of proportion …I’m not sure what were the comments you was hoping for but an analysis can be drawn from them..my analysis based on the comments is that it’s a none issue…so quit trying to play smart with foolishness by asking if people think before they type..the comments are their views which is a discussion., like you wanted a panel discussion with a moderator on a social media platform.. you should’ve think and contextualize the article and not the headline before trying to attack the bloggers

    • And I quote one Kevin below: “This is news?? Really? Stueps”

    • Not sure you mean I should have contextualized the article. It’s not much of an article. It’s just welcoming a conversation (which is my point). But I think I get your point too. However, If you don’t think something is worth discussing, then why not keep out of the conversation instead of dictating to others what’s worth discussing? You read it all the time, “DIs is news?!?!?” when it’s not meant to be. So, once it doesn’t suit your agenda or taste, it shouldn’t be discussed?

    • Wendell if you read the comments on the article itself you would see a range of opinions. The best ones come from people who are not playing politics but genuinely discussing the issue, which is: what they think is and isn’t permissible in the workplace, what should it should or should not be, and what responsibility does a leader have when he speaks in a world that is suddenly very energized about issues of gender relations.
      Right now, people are redefining what is or isn’t appropriate on a daily basis and all over the world men are scrambling to keep up and soak it all in.
      Who knew so many people here have all the answers though. We should be exporting counsellors by the hundreds I think.

      • I didn’t think he was offering her drinks but he was being disrespectful in not answering her question and treating it as trivia. If she does not feel that, it reflects on the expectations and self-image of TT journalists and the low esteem in which they hold their own work. I was quite disgusted by Rowley’s behaviour, but not in a sexual sense. However, I commend Lasana on trying to have a discussion on the subtleties of the sexual harassment issue. I think it’s a very difficult one to tease out, particularly in the Trini context.

  36. Trinidad & Tobago’s very own Donald Trump. Poor Keith, always being attacked for no good reason. 🙁

  37. Lasana Liburd , boy yuh eh like de blackest man in T&T , the bestest PM in the world , yuh is ah racicst an all , Rowliar never tell ah lie in he life , he never disrespect ah woman in he life yet , ah never see he wine up on no underaged child yet and blushing fuh a big ole hard face hard back ole geriactric , ah never hear him tackling no reporter live on air program , buh Lasana how they saying de man like to groom young gyul , an he likes tuh call dem Jammetry an ting boy , dey lying Lasana ….dey lying on de ole man boy !

    • Lalbeharry YOU calling people racist??Hahahahahaha..bwoy I gonna get some.of the comments I screen shot of YOU calling people n*gga

    • Thompson West you illiterate dunce , read my comments then make your illiterate sycotic comments , my post was directed at Mr Lasana Liburd and not your illterate incompetent self , go ahead and try your best to go back in my profile history and see how much racicst rants of you can dig up , I know your issue is with my highlighting the true Rowliar , and the truth and reality about stink man Rowley pains you , but as I always say , a Pnm sycotic sycophant stooge never cares about the country ….only about the Pnm party and how much money they can tief !

  38. I just made cookies.real news my children are adults.

  39. And how is the weather in Trinidad

  40. So….the PM used a public interview on national TV to make an attempt at sexual harassment??hmmmm

  41. Steups! Another saga. Mega issues for discussions, but we choose to make THIS the topic of discussion.

  42. Shiva Boys is the National Intercol Chams now this is news

  43. Haul allyuh mother country with this shit

  44. Jamaica came 7th in Bob Sled team in The world competition in Germany..

  45. Steups clearly it’s a slow news day

  46. You all are now losing your mind.Hospitality is not a thing of the past for some people.with home training.

  47. Allyuh whole modus operandi is trying to discredit the black man,allyuh Prime Minister,do wah allyuh want,Prime Minister,black man,

  48. Steups he not on her. Allyuh just fishing now, steups.

  49. It is stupid,so many serious issues,when will grow up?

  50. Hence: back to this thread…a meta post

  51. (The Preface and Editorial needed to contextualize what is read in this thread is a book.

    You up to that task?

  52. This has been an interesting discussion. It’s Serious and simultaneously quite laughable that at this stage in our development, we are devoid of the ability to have a thoughtful, intelligent and objective debate of a serious topic. I have said many times that ‘TT is better off having a citizenry that is capable of critical analysis, and thinks objectively through issues, rather than one that is split down the lines of political party fanaticism’.

  53. Talking Tropes

    Black Women defending Rowley

    He knows your name,?
    He would defend you as you are him?
    Your families, children?

    A really huge poignant statement was made and overlooked above:

    ” if so we have bigger problems than the PM”

    I am surprised no one seized on that. We do!!!!

    This thread makes me cringe and never want to be the proponent of certain arguments ever again

    When we abuse legitimate theories or aren’t sophisticated enough to nuance dynamics to truth.

    The only thing that seems to get sophisticated is people’s patronage to their party. And our slavery to a culture that have a lot of places to grow and evolve.

    I mean the same black women oogle and drool over these same politicians, especially the light, mix white ones who wouldnt see them in stiff sun, so what conversation are we having. Its the culture of the petri dish

    • Maven I will speak for myself…. I am not defending the PM because nothing he did in this occurrence requires defence what I am doing however is addressing the root issue for why this is an issue… which has nothing to do with the individual past what he represents and whether he or others would acknowledge it that extra darkness affects how he and others that look like him are dealt with, perceived, judged etc….he is not my focus as much as what he represents.

    • Maven Huggins are you referring to comments on Wired or comments on the FB page that posted the video, because I cannot find the comment you referenced on the Wired thread

    • Danielle Ifayemisi Frederick could you projecting your views unto others? My comments have nothing to do with race, colourism, political party etc.

      I simply disagree with a PM making those comments in that situation (full stop)

    • Nigel, Danielle made that profound statement above in one of her shorter comment box

      Yes, a huge statement slipped by unnoticed.

      And that’s what we missing. Rowley is symptomatic. He is not the problem. Lol


  54. After YEARS of inappropriate behavior by the PeePee (who say Grey Goose), this pettiness is grabbed at for an issue. Steeeeeups!

    That this is a talking point is telling of two things. (1) desperate to thief again racist skunks/UNC supporters (same thing), and (2) Follow the USA culture. Cause the USA farting sexual harassment, some copy cat Trinis want to make mountains out of nonsense.

    • I roll my eyes every time a PNM supporter starts defence of his party with a reference to the PP. Because a few years ago, PNM supporters and myself were rolling our eyes everytime a PP politician began a defence of their own administration by pointing to the behaviour of Manning’s team in office.

    • Lasana Liburd you don’t find it annoying that after a two hour discussion that a ten minute misdirection controls the narrative. Isn’t that in itself an indication of a society’s degredation?

    • Brian Lewis, are you saying that since the PP was inappropriate, one cannot criticise the incumbent government?

      The argument that gets made in Trinidad “the last government did the same / worst’ is a weak one in my opinion. The public dealt with them and that’s why they are in opposition and I will judge the current government based on their current performance.

    • MJ, not necessarily. I agree that it is disappointing nobody shared the substantive bit about that interview. But many people are honestly confused about male and female interaction at work. So I can see how people may want to use this as a chance to discuss that.
      Once race stays out of it and people are mature then I don’t see a problem talking about it.

    • It beggars belief that race can stay out of this discourse. It has been and is an intimate part of how Trinis look at any and everything. The comments on this issue (admittedly on other profiles) are vile, racist, malicious and unacceptable. The race profile and attendant stereotypes of our PM are well known, and to deny or ignore that they contribute to the perception of his conduct is naive. You may not be using this lens Lasana, but lets not deny that many do.

    • Dawn it is true that race is a big part of local politics. But we can at least try not to stoop to that level.
      My vision for Wired868 is we set the example in how we can debate without getting bitter or divisive.
      I think it is great that we can share different opinions without grabbing each other by the truth.
      For instance, I didn’t agree with Danielle. But she put me on my toes too. Because I do have to acknowledge that there are people who will use this to make racist points.
      So let’s keep each other on our toes without getting nasty.

    • I don’t know if I need to point this out but I actually like Rowley. I spoke to him a few times over the years and I think he is smart and definitely someone who I’d share a drink with.
      Rose-Marie, I can substitute for Faine! ??
      Wait… I’m not sure if that came out right! ???
      Point is personality won’t stop me from being critical. I can think someone is a good human being and still criticize them. It isn’t personal.

    • Yeah Lasana I could share a drink with Rowley too…but only if you there??

    • Lasana Liburd so you actually believe that the prevailing conversation on social media about a ten secong bit subtracted from a two hour conversation is because of a confusion of male and female interactions. It’s either you naive or I’m a bit too suspicious.

    • MJ Ray I could not care less about any conversation outside this group. I’m not a part of any other groups.
      I’d say you can respond to whatever you like in that area. But when here, you should respond to what you see here. I think that is fair.

    • Lasana Liburd I hear you brother. But I for one know the genesis of alot if these conversations/misdirection and it does not start in Wired but somehow makes its way onto Wired.
      Unlike you, I do go onto other sites and see the topics for discussion. Most times soon after any interview with Rowley either with public interaction or the media I go onto the Opposition/UNC sites to see the thoughts of the PMs interviews despite how backward and childish they are. And most of these type of ten second conversation to paint the PM negatively finds its Genesis on these UNC sites.
      This talk about propositioning Feine started on the UNC site the morning after.
      So yiu might say yiu only care about conversations that are carried on in Wired but alot of the conversations that are carried on on Wired has its genesis on other sites and this original post is one of them.

    • And it’s really annoying since alot of the posters/contributor on these UNC site are qite bigoted and simply racist. And to see the topics that originate fron bigots and racists finding its way here and your response is “I don’t care, one race is not involved” but in actuality, the very origin of the topic is from racists my friend. Believe that.

    • It is natural that UNC and PNM supporters would jump on any opportunity to benefit from what they think is a faux pas from the other side.
      I’m not really interested in them and their noise. We can decide amongst ourselves whether a topic has merit or not.

    • MJ Ray as the originator of this post I totally disagree with you. I first became aware of the comment by Dr Rowley after listening to the morning talk show on i95.5 (which by no means is a UNC station).

      I asked a question (granted using the word tackle to be provocative), someone posted the 10 second clip and after viewing same, I came to the conclusion that the comment was inappropriate.

      It is amazing that I have since been accused of being racist, politically biased, self-hating as a dark black man (among other “isms”) What I have failed to see in these 100+ comments is any true discussion about the comments and the appropriateness (or lack thereof) of the comments by a PM to a reporter live on air!.

    • Lasana Liburd, you are intelligent enough to know that anti-Unc/PeePee doesn’t equate to being a PNM supporter. So, give your eyes a rest from the rolling bro.

    • Nigel Noel, there is no ambiguity in my post. I even elaborated with two points. You are hearing other arguments that I am not making.

      Basically, if this is the utter SHIT big men and women have to yap about now, then in some regard we are better off than under the PeePee piss brigade where there was cause for heavy discussion weekly, sometimes daily in fact.

      Now you guys could carry on with your own arguments and agenda, I was very clear and unambiguous in my post.

      And, you may not be seeing the kind of ‘true discussion’ you crave because people know this is nonsense and are busy discussing the anti gang legislation and other serious matters. Not ole talk and a 3 second clip without context.

    • I’m not knocking anyone for voting eh. I vote too. I’m just saying we should keep an open mind and judge all parties by the same yardstick. If you do Brian then that’s great.
      Sexual appropriateness depends on the person receiving the message and the culture they belong to.
      Faine definitely wasn’t offended. And what might offend an American wouldn’t offend someone in France and so on.
      This topic doesn’t have to be narrowed down to just Faine and Rowley.
      It really is what you choose to make of it. Or you can just ignore the thread and discuss something else. There are no shortage of discussion points in the world.

    • I am anti-UNC. Full stop. Period. Everyone ought to know that by now. 🙂

      And, if Faine wasn’t offended, then that is the CONTEXT of the particular situation. A non issue to the primary party concerned. Which is my point.

      People just searching for things to discuss because we have so little now compared to 2010-2015.

    • Brian Lewis And let’s not forget, KPB is in campaign mode and Dr. Rowley and ALL things government will be painted in a negative light for the next two years. What this does, is reflect very poorly on our nation for the rest of the world to see – and that is the reality.

    • Annette the rest of the world couldn’t give a toss about trinidad politics.
      I don’t care about KPB’s views. She is already dead politically but somehow hasn’t noticed yet. I had just hoped we could discuss something in a mature way without combusting.

    • Lasana Liburd, she isn’t dead politically. People with sense would think she is, but once you step your thoughts to the side, you realise the UNC is very capable of winning the next GE under her leadership.

      They honestly do not have anyone else to be their leader.

      Anyway, she is off topic.

    • Kamla is incapable of winning in my opinion. What would need to happen is Rowley would need a Herculean effort to lose.
      But yeah, this is off topic.

  55. This is an extension of the unruly, over sexed Black male trope… let’s call it what it is…

    why should he refrain from levity with female reporters?!!

    No…when he is serious he is unapproachable, he engages in local palance he is inappropriate, he jokes he is flirting….all yuh ‘ism’ petticoat showing….

    Patrick Manning and Basdeo Panday both had great sense of humor and revelled in their Trini-ness never had this backlash….in part to the fact that they NEVER subjected themselves to as much public questioning as the current PM…BUT in no small part that our current is as dark as he is….all the tropes come out in feigned protocols and ‘proper’ behaviour….how dare he be confident and not self deprecating

    I am not a fan of his but I call BS on him refraining from being normal and natural less he slip into someone’s latent colourism or racist sensibilities

    • Please don’t make Rowley the lightening rod for all black men, Danielle. That would just be taking the bait from racists on the other side.
      You cannot have a reasonable discussion if every matter is one race versus the next or goodness against darkness and all that nonsense.
      Rowley has had much previous with the other sex. Let’s not pretend he is Knolly Clarke or something.
      There is plenty reason for people to be sensitive to loose comments with females at the work place in this moment of time.
      If you want to counterbalance racists, then wait for a racist comment to respond to.

    • I am not making him the standard… nor is everything about race but this entire conversation is intellectually dishonest about WHY people feel ‘uncomfortable’ with the statement….

      we as a people love to revel in the superficial and this ‘concern’ is superficial and I dare say would not have occurred with two variables being changed….AND BOTH are race and colourism based….

      I am not counterbalancing race I am turning the dog whistle into a full blown whistle….

      the comment was in no way loose and to discount the hypersensitivity where the current PM is concerned due to race and colourism issues ESPECIALLY with regards his communication style is disingenuous

    • He should refrain from levity with female reporters for the same reason teachers of unruly classes should refrain from too much levity with their easily distracted students. Not for his sake, but for our’s.

    • How does that help? the two are not remotely connected…are u saying that a man cannot be social without being inappropriate? In particular our PM?….If that’s the case we have a much bigger problem than our PM

    • No not at all. I’m saying we can be incredibly immature and take the slightest opportunity to turn the most insignificant comment or gesture and turn it into the subject of the conversation.
      We lil special ed!

    • Vernal then to attempt to jump through the many immature hoops Trinis possess would leave him mute…so ‘llow him….and jam him when he deserves jamming….and stop cuddling the immature and “call out the devil” so to speak

    • Danielle Ifayemisi Frederick as the originator of the post, I totally disagree with your assessment of my reason for posting.

      I am as dark as the PM (If not darker) and my comment has nothing to do with race or my “political petticoat”. I felt then (and I still feel that way now) that the comment was inappropriate for a PM whilst being interviewed on National Television.

      The fact that a large section of the commentators to this thread had tried to make it about race and/or political bias says where we have reached as a nation!

    • Danielle, people see the world they want to see. With Franken’s resignation, for instance, the furore over Ralph Balgobin and the prior accusation that Rowley was very inappropriate with a reporter–Anika Gumbs–I find it quite reasonable that people would be more sensitive with Rowley’s statements in such scenarios.
      So I disagree that this is just about race. It might be for some racist UNC people. And it might be for you. But there is enough here for a discussion without race.

    • Nigel Noel exactly. Is Dr Rowley suddenly the emblem of all black men and we have to tiptoe around criticising him lest someone accuses of racism?
      Danielle, you’re not seeing it but you’re doing exactly the same as UNC supporters who said every criticism against Kamla was because she was either Indian or a woman.
      I will criticise Kamla and I will criticise Rowley. And I’m neither racist nor sexist.

    • Lasana Liburd Were the accusations regarding Anika Gumbs proved or remotely substantiated…that as an example is weak in attempting to pretend that this added “vigilance” is necessary or warranted…

      @nigel u being as dark as the current PM does not exempt you from colourism hence it’s inclusion in my analysis…nor does it invalidate it as being a dog whistle…you are not exempt from social programming regarding the tropes regarding people that look like u…so that isn’t an out

      @lasana stop saying what I didn’t say or imply..I did not say or imply that one was to tip toe around the PM nor did I make him the standard of male Blackness…but I refuse to pretend that both race and colourism are not at the root of this “discomfort”…you comparing me to racist or alluding to me being racist doesn’t phase me and let’s me know that you either refuse to acknowledge what actually is a racist vs discrimination and neither figure into why I am calling BS on this alleged inappropriate comment

      @nigel I said nothing about “political petticoat”….”ism petticoat”….not politics… what I am dealing with is programming and latent stereotypes

    • Danielle how many sexual accusations have been proven anywhere around the world? The reality is the response can be so emotive as to leave a mark regardless. Surely you know that.
      Haven’t you seen several people all over the world forced to resign just based on whether a story seems compelling enough?
      Once the accusation is deemed to have enough to meet the public people are not going to forget about it. It is politically naive not to be sensitive to such things.
      And, like I said, the backlash against Rolph Balgobin should mean that Rowley should actually instruct his Cabinet to be on their Ps and Qs.

    • Danielle, considering that the world is abuzz with sexual harassment claims and, to be honest, we are learning every day what is and isn’t harassment and I don’t think there is consensus on that yet… You wouldn’t recommend that Rowley and the gang try to be as careful as possible?

    • Danielle Ifayemisi Frederick how do you assess my comment is related to colourism………you are guilty of the same things you are accussing me of. You are assuming that my biases are influencing my assessment of his comment, yet you are using your own biases to put me in the “ism box”

    • Lasana I am weary of any trend that has the accuser as the sole burden of proof and the removal of the political context of the Ankia Gumbs accusation is disappointing…

      the fall out regarding the Chairman of AL is based on AL’s poor public handling of that situation and there being multiple similar accusations regarding the office holder….

      I don’t want them on their Ps & Qs because that gives me the feeling that they maybe attempting to cover a serious character flaw rather than just doing the right thing because it is the right thing to do..and them doing the right thing doesn’t mean that they can’t or shouldn’t joke with a female in a business setting that is plain silly

    • Good grief!! Focus on the REAL issues here pls wired, and not a 2 minute exchange by the PM. So many pressing social issues: Crime, Anti-gang bill, corruption, price of (imported) food, Sandals, US$ availability, and the list goes on. Lasana it would be prudent to note that many commentators are now voicing concerns at the backlash and impact of accusations without a shred of proof offered and with many accusers remaining anonymous. There needs to be some balance. Btw, the Anika Gumbs accusation was (IMO) iffy and shouldn’t even feature in this discusson.

    • I know about the political context regarding Gumbs because I wrote about it. That doesn’t necessarily mean that Rowley came out of that episode smelling of roses.
      So the PNM cabinet shouldn’t be careful about their behavior?
      If you honestly think that there is a room full of men in their 50s and beyond in any country on this planet that doesn’t need a lesson on appropriate and inappropriate behaviour around women in the workplace…
      Well then no wonder you only see race here.

    • Dawn i feel uncomfortable about fact that people can lose their jobs over unsubstantiated accusations. But all the more reason to just be careful until we find a new moral code to handle male and female workplace interaction.

    • Again u are making general statements and attributing them to me because u have yet to invalidate my analysis…

      sexual appropriateness of content is not my analysis…it is yours….

      as I have said nothing in the comment or it’s delivery was inappropriate or sexual and the issue is who is making it….not even his office… but the individual and the ‘inappropriate’-ness of it only is a factor because it feeds a trope and in order to cover that trope and it’s manifestations…. consciously or subconsciously….is where the alleged discomfort came from.

    • Danielle Ifayemisi Frederick i can only speak for myself and my comments have nothing to do with the individual but the office he holds.

      If the comment was made by any PM irrespective of race, religion, political party or any “ism” I would have felt that it was inappropriate.

    • Danielle I never said the PM’s comment was sexually appropriate. What I said is there is enough for people to have a discussion on it. And that the PM himself should probably be more careful.
      What you said that I disagree with is that criticism of his comment is racially motivated.

    • Danielle Ifayemisi Frederick thanks you. This is the land of Calypso. We carry on the greatest show on earth. Where for two days our women unclothed themselves while our men girate on these skimpily clad women and most of us, directly or indirectly participate in some aspect of it. But we get offended when a PM sheepishly mentions taking a seasonal drink as is custom. So offended are we that we don’t even mention anything else from the nearly two hour interview. Riiiiight. We fall for this every time.
      I remember the public meeting when the discussuon of spousal abuse came up and the PM addressed it in his own unique way as he should be allowed. And again the next morning and for days afterwards all we were talking about was that the PM blames women when violence is done against them.
      Every damn time we fall for the misdirection.

  56. That last line effectively sums it up!

  57. Rose-Marie that is what you would refer to as either a throwaway line or fishing. It stays just on the right side of what is permissible but maybe tests the boundaries a little. Lol.
    No, it doesn’t tip the scale to become sexual harassment. But I felt it was a little childish personally.
    I’m not sure how many global leaders would permit themselves to waffle outside of off stump like that while in a formal
    Interview with the Media with cameras rolling.
    But then I’m sure if we have any consensus on behaviour in public office.
    Whether we are talking about Kamla, Keithos, Jack, Carmona, Archie… too many people seem to form opinions based on loyalties rather than principles.

    • Lol. We can agree it was ill-advised. Especially with the smirk that accompanied the statement. He really shouldn’t have said it but he didn’t cross any lines imo

    • Rose-Marie, there is context too. Rowley is known to be a sweet man (surely even Pnm-ites agree), plus he famously had another female reporter accuse him of inappropriate behavior… and all this at a time when some factions are urging the Govt to act on Rolph Balgobin for alleged sexual harassment and when the issue of male behaviour in the workplace (Faine was at work!) is under scrutiny because of the likes of Harvey Weinstein.
      Now put all those together and the picture looks murkier still.
      The comment itself wasn’t a big deal. But there are so many things that make it really unwise.

    • Yeah when you put all those issues around it it does look worse than the words themselves. He should have known better but I put it down to “He just couldn’t help himself”. I honestly don’t think his intention was the same as Gayle in suggesting that Faine “have drinks with him”. To me it was more like Is Christmas..where the drinks. But sigh…definitely an ill-advised statement.

    • And consider Faine who would have been pleased to get this interview and through no fault of her own, many people are focusing on whether or not the PM was hitting on her rather than the interview itself.

    • Yup. It also reduces her to a sound bite when (I haven’t seen it) the entire interview must have been a wide-ranging professional discourse.

    • One thing Lasana, if Harvey Weinstein had been a Trini and was running say …. Angustura instead of Miramax, it would have been business as usual! LOL

  58. To think that a discussion about whether the Prime Minister behaved appropriately can lead to one member—unprovoked—calling another member a “bitch” is as sad as it is ironic.
    Reynold F. Ollivierre I can’t remember seeing messages like that from you before.
    Would you withdraw that comment and just acknowledge that you forgot yourself and was inappropriate?

  59. I am suprised at how easily the UNC controls the general narrative of social media discussion.

  60. Throw your minds back. Can you remember of the UNC was allegedly caught looking up the skirt of a female on a ladder.

  61. Antoinette Sankar do you remember a leader of the UNC was caught looking up the skirt of a female on a ladder.

  62. So because KPB was a bad example of a PM, anything after cannot be questioned?

  63. Two hours of a PM answering questions coherently and thoroughly about relevant issues of public concern, and a ten second soundbite is the topic for discussion throughout Trinidad. I must say I am really disgusted with the interlectual dishonesty of some of my fellow countrymen. I understand why the UNC hates this man. But I dont understand why alot of you “un-alligned” hate him.

  64. Obviously *not* a tackle, whatever it was…whether it is befitting a PM…do we want to go there? Really, after KPB, we now want to censor the things that should come out of a PM’s mouth? (politically motivated naysayers must really love this) Anyway, I got on my soapbox on the original thread…in case anyone cares to go read.

  65. Man say “well is Christmas time we should have some drinks then”. He could just as easily have been speaking to both Juhel and Faine. How is that gross?? If Lasana say he want to take the discussion to a social level I expecting him to bring beers?

  66. I looked at it a few times. It certainly didn’t seem like a “don’t blush baby” moment. Maybe the fact that he was smiling when he said it could have given some people the impression he was hitting on her. But dam if that way of joking is in his personality he would have a lot of work to do to satisfy the haters yes. If was Juhel Brown asking the question and Rowley said something like ” well if yuh talking SOCIAL yuh shoulda bring some beers!”. Would people think he was hitting on Juhel? Would Juhel have felt uncomfortable?? And it’s not even a one on one interview? I honestly think he was trying to be funny. Probably don’t realise that with all the buzz about the “silence breakers” and the whole sexual harassment scandals you have to mind extra Ps and Qs now.

    • Rose-Marie Ingrid Lemessy-Forde, sorry but not giving him a pass. We -and hin-have been down this road before so he fully well is aware of what he is doing and the consequences-to change the public dialogue.
      But say what. Seems a murder rate of plus 466, increase in unemployment, rising cost of living are not affecting him so he has every reason to be jolly in this festive season.
      As for the rest of the citizens who are affected by these issues, and consider the response insensitive at the least, well what do they know. They MUST be UNC.

    • Nerisha I hear you. But I’m not analyzing de man political performance eh. I was commenting specifically on the 1 minute exchange with Faine.

    • Ihu. But even your comments about the silence breakers points to just how socially and politically ignorant he is-deliberately or otherwise.
      As for all who pointed out that in the long interview, the media and public focused on a part of the interview, what do they expect? The solution is very simple. If you want the public and media to focus on the pertinent parts of the interview, all he had to do was keep the conversation there. Not hard all all. Or is it?

    • Yeah but Nerisha try this. Pretend the PM was responding to something Juhel Brown said about taking the discussion to a social level. And the PM told him well is Christmas where de drinks???. It’s the same thing. I think people reading more into his statement than it needs to be. His response wasn’t out of context. He could easliy have directed that to the other reporter and people wouldn’t bat an eyelid. It wasn’t like Chris Gayle interview

    • But Rose-Marie Ingrid Lemessy-Forde, if i make a comment to a male coworker and I make the same comment to a female coworker there could be different ramifications. The PM is not 11 years old.

      I agree with Nerisha Mohammed, if we want the focus to remain on the substantive issues then keep the discussion there.

      Could you have seen Mr Manning saying something like that to a female reporter during an interview?

    • Nigel Noel, I do understand the point Rose-Marie Ingrid Lemessy-Forde was trying to make-taking the comment in its own.
      But there are too many other factors to ignore, which is why I put it into the context of it happening before.
      Seems like respect for women and boundaries are not things we demand. One cannot assume another party would find such comments amusing or appropriate.
      But it clearly achieved what he probably wanted, that is, to take attention away from the other matters of national impoetance, like crime and the economy for which I hear lots of talk, but little action.

    • Nerisha Mohammed i disagree with you there, I dont think it was a premeditated act of the PM to change the focus of the discussion. I think he felt he was being cute or funny.

    • By now, he should recognise that persona does not work for him!

    • Lol true Nerisha cute for a 69 year old doesn’t really work?

    • This is why TT can’t move forward. We spend days talking about a totally inappropriate comment by the PM (that was not a tackle), but won’t get out of our comfort zone behind the computer to undertake a sustained and strategic plan against crime, corruption in all its forms or sexual harassment at angostura and other companies. But the cry is always for the PNM or the PM to get t right. All the time! #fixitrowley

  67. The PM answer virtually every question without script for nearly 2 hours and all people could get out of the interview is that comment…just shows that “comess” is all people about…not interested in nation building…just nonsense

  68. Would love to hear what Faine Richards felt in her gut to the comments.

    And what the male reporter felt believed, saw to be happening.

    All very entertaining

  69. The clip is cringe inducing, but the comments following it indicates the intent of the person who edited it.

  70. I admit i was being provocative by the use of the word tackling……..but I posted my question before actually seeing the video and it was based on comments i heard on different radio talk shows this morning

  71. I cannot help but agree with you there Nigel, he botched it again. I just can’t say with any certainty that he was tackling that woman.

  72. Vernal Damion Cadogan, i know that my objections have nothing to do with the PM’s or the reporter’s relative hue and I do not subscribe to what the opposition tried to do during the election campaign.

    However having attained the office of PM, i would have expected the PM to modify his actions and not continue to put himself in these situations.

  73. he looked as if he was salivating…smh

  74. I’m no Rowley fan, but this trend is a continuation of the Parliamentary smear campaign presided over bu then Prime Minister Bissessar when her MPs lined up and besmirched not just Rowley, but his father as well accusing both of rape even though the alleged victims have categorically denied this.
    What some of Rowley’s detractors attempt to do is utilize the stereotype of the brutish black man praying upon the virtue of women (usually of a lighter complection or other ethnicity).
    It is disgusting and it does not go unrecognized.

  75. More and more we find people forming opinions before considering and often even in spite of the facts. In this case context is key, the interviewer began to ask about “the social climate” and Rowley clumsily attempted to be funny by implying since it’s social perhaps they should have a drink. Now it is important to note that there were three people seated, Rowley the female reporter and a male reporter. I can see how Rowley’s demeanor can lead to speculation that he was being flirtatious, but that might not necessarily be so.
    If I were to give him some advice regarding this I would suggest he cast aside all notions of levity when being interviewed by female journalists, it only gives ammunition to those who would promote a particularly distasteful stereotype regarding folks who look like him.

  76. No, Joel Riley, if you think that Dr. Rowley is gross for whatever reason, that does not make this interaction gross, just because you feel gross watching it.

  77. “Gross” can mean either “Vulgar” or “GREAT” – I think it was the latter – NOTHING vulgar there at all, at all – unless as Spoiler sang decades ago: “Ah say to kill dem dead, is de vice in dey own head.”

  78. Men really in trouble.. Just this morning I made a post about men and sexual allegations.. From the time a woman makes a claim, it could be how baseless, it destroys your reputation unless everything on film..

  79. I just wasted 15 secs of my life (that I will never get back) hoping to see we PM bussin a tackle on Faine..
    Oh well

  80. How is joking about a drink around Christmas (or Carnival) in Trinidad and Tobago the same as ‘bussin ah tackle’?

  81. I say the next interview should be in a straitjacket, humming inspirational songs.. then again, some folks like negativity.. 🙂

  82. David Steffan Huggins You’re so right – and I’ll complete your sentence for you …. ignoramuses?

  83. Joel, people will find something in everything he says or does… He continues to make himself available for these..

  84. …necessary…? No a joke is never necessary! But I’d rather have a leader who jokes about alcohol than one who embarrasses the country with drunken behaviour… but let me hush my mouth, the media took plenty HDC houses to ensure that news never reached the papers…

  85. So ppl can conveniently identify ‘inappropriateness’?

    • Yep – in Trinidad, we coneniently lose our sense of humour, our long established penchant for ‘mamaguy’ and ‘kicksin’ – when our Prime Minister speaks. Wish EVERY Trinidad male was de Prime Minister – then our women won’t be ‘sooted’ at in public any more and no more strangers calling me ‘Tanty’ or ‘Mammy’ and worse yet, when I’m with my daughters telling me ‘Mammy, yuh shoulda have TEN more like dem!” Are these really our men commenting on Dr. Rowley??? LOL

  86. I am shocked that there are people who think it was an appropriate comment to be made by the Prime Minister during an interview!

  87. Natalia Dopwell Not when it’s Dr. Keith Christopher Rowley. Trinis lose ALL sense of humour (a word that has it’s root in ‘humility’) when discussing our Prime Minister! Bunch of sickoes.

  88. Natalia Dopwell, do you think the comment by Dr Rowley was necessary? Also is this the actions you would expect of your Primr Minister?

  89. That’s why I love Dr. Rowley. This man only has to smile and people think he making a ‘pass’ – he ‘flirting’. WOW – I now have to be careful – wonder how many ‘passes’ I’ve missed – and just took them for what it was – making conversation! ALLYUH GOOD OUI!

  90. Please tell me exactly what was tactless about what he said… He made a joke about social drinking… not about sex or the reporter’s body – didn’t ask her to go with him for a drink – he suggested they (there are three persons on camera) share a drink since they are talking about ‘social issues’

    It’s a JOKE – are jokes not allowed…?

  91. nah Dr. Rowley must learn tact

  92. Good heavens. What racist comments on the original thread. TT is in a damn sorry state!!

  93. Uuuuh… that’s not ‘making a pass’… not flirting… good Lord… the man can’t make a joke at all…?

    I could see this remark being made to a man and nobody would bat an eye…

  94. Could someone show the clip?