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Yasin Abu Bakr: The drugs made me do it; Jamaat boss on 1990 coup

Jamaat-al-Muslimeen leader Yasin Abu Bakr says that the country still does not know the real story of July 1990 but he is not yet ready to share it.

What he does share is that it is the Jamaat’s attempts to clean up the drugs scene in the country that saw them step on the corns of influential people in the society and led the NAR Government to launch an offensive to deprive them of their land in Mucurapo.

Bakr sat down for a one-on-one with Wired868 reporter, Otancia Noel.

Photo: Jamaat-al-Muslimeen Imam Yasin Abu Bakr (right) chats with a colleague.
Photo: Jamaat-al-Muslimeen Imam Yasin Abu Bakr (right) chats with a colleague.

WIRED 868 REPORTER (WR): This July marks 25 years since that fateful day in 1990 when your troops stormed into the Red House and destroyed the parliament’s virginity forever. Looking back at that unforgettable six-day period 25 years later, what is your first thought? 

YASIN ABU BAKR (YAB): Well, not much has changed by way of governance; that’s the first, first thought that has comes into my mind. And I remember on that fateful day saying that if this society did not stop and make a rightabout turn, they were going to descend into the abyss, the place of no return.

Today, 25 years later, that is exactly what is happening…

So1990. Usually people ask what happened in 1990 and start with 1990 but 1990 has a genesis. Many, many things happened before 1990 that led up to 1990. People don’t just get up one morning and go in a parliament to overthrow a government; that is insane. And if you are insane, you would not be capable of planning and executing such an action. So to claim that we are insane is to claim that the other people are also insane for letting something like that happen right under their nose. And supposedly they were having a hundred eyes on the Jamaat every day.

So there is a genesis to 1990 and the genesis basically is that the government broke the rule of law. The Jamaat were having constant problems with the State, the machinery of State and there were several people in the government who were involved in narcotics, drugs and we were trying to clean up the place. And so there was an ongoing battle with us trying to clean up all these drug dens and things like that. And then the police, ably assisted by the politicians, tried their best to stop that and give the population the impression that we were doing something really bad. So that led up to several different kinds of confrontations resulting in their running into the mosque every Friday during the prayer time. That has never happened with no other church in the history of Trinidad and Tobago, no mosque, nowhere; that has simply never happened before. And there was a constant violation of the rights of the Jamaat-al-Muslimeen because of this ongoing drug problem.

And then finally, the State, unlawfully, ably assisted by the Police and the Army, came onto the compound. The Police and the Army unlawfully occupied the land that belonged to us. So like good citizens we went to the courts and the judge ruled that they had unlawfully occupied our premises and they should be removed and they refused. They appealed the judgment. And then it went to Justice Crane in the Appeal Court and Justice Crane gave them seven days to move and they refused to obey the law of the land. We went to the Chief Justice and the Chief Justice said that is anarchy because the government must respect the rule of law. But they refused to obey the rule of law so they left us no other solution but this head-on conflict and the constant occupation.

The school was at its worst that year because the police kept walking through the school with guns and interfering with the women and all the attendant problems stemming from unlawful and illegal occupation of the land.

One brother got shot in his ankle and we went to the police and the police said that they could not move because they were obeying the orders of the government and that the most they could do was change the groups that they had there. And they did change them. The Army did the same thing. We went and spoke to one Officer Vidale and he said “Well, what can we do? We’re following the orders of the Minister of National Security” who was then one of the main problems that we had. And then eventually we had to do something to defend ourselves against this constant, constant thing and again living in a state where the government is not obeying the rule of law and that is anarchy.

And so we did not get up one July morning in 1990 and say “we’re going to run into the Parliament today.” It would be very, very stupid for anybody to believe that and for the State to say that some people could do that right under their nose. Stupid people could do that and succeed when they so smart and they allowed that to happen. So it’s a whole long story before 1990 and then eventually of course 1990 occurred.

Photo: Former NAR National Security Minister and Toco/Manzanilla MP Joseph Toney in Parliament on July 27, 1990.
Photo: Former NAR Minister and Toco/Manzanilla MP Joseph Toney in Parliament on July 27, 1990.

WR: So would it be accurate to say, Imam, that July 1990 would never have happened if you – not you singular, Yasin Abu Bakr, but you plural, the Jamaat-al-Muslimeen – had not been provoked?

YAB: Well, it was not just provoked; it was more than provoked. They would run into the mosque every Friday and disrupt the prayer and the prayer time. That never happened in this country to no other group. The provocation was beyond all measure. And then culminating of course in the fact that we found out that they were going to try to come and break down the building.

And when we went to jail, they came and broke down all the buildings except the mosque. When the tractor tried to push down the mosque, the tractor turned over but they destroyed everything else.

Two weeks before July 1990, we found out from somebody who worked in the Ministry of National Security that they were coming to destroy the mosque and destroy all the buildings and destroy everything that we had. And they knew that we would defend it and they were going to kill everybody because they were fed up because we were relentlessly against something that I don’t want to talk about right now.

 

WR: So why not now? 

YAB: I refused to talk about it even before the Commission but the time will come when the whole of Trinidad and Tobago will know the real truth of that matter.

We said that we found out two weeks before that they were planning to come and destroy everything and kill us all, mash up all the buildings and everything, the schools, the homes, the garment factory, the supermarket, the printery, the library… And they did, they subsequently did.

We had a health clinic and two doctors would come every week (incidentally, one of them used to be the acting President, Wahid Ali) and another doctor came regularly and Dr McKend came and did extractions and dentistry work all free of cost.

And then they had a problem because we brought doctors into this country to do a programme and they turned it down and we had to send the three doctors back. And then we brought medical supplies here and they refused to allow us to clear our medical supplies and stuff like that. All free of course for the people.

So there were all of those things and many, many more; it would take days for me to tell you the amount of atrocities that were committed by the government of anarchy who were not obeying the rule of law. The judgements are in the court. You can go in the court and see all of these judgements which are there.

So it was really a question of self-defence. We knew they were coming and we knew that they had prepared everything and we knew that in our efforts to defend the buildings they were going to wipe us out and kill us. So that is what led up to that and we hurriedly made some plans and we were able to go to the Red House and arrest the perpetrators of those acts. They pleaded guilty and they said they had a solution to the problem. They admitted that they had committed the acts that we accused them of but I told you that story will come one day…

And that is how that fateful day happened.

Photo: The Trinidad and Tobago Army stands guard near to the TTT building.
Photo: The Trinidad and Tobago Army stands guard near to the TTT building.

WR:  Has any government since 1990, Mr Panday’s, Mr Manning’s or Mrs Persad-Bissessar’s, moved to mend fences with the Jamaat-al-Muslimeen, to apologise or to remove the provocation(s) that precipitated July 1990 or anything like that?

YAB:  No, instead of mending fences, they put up fences. They didn’t mend fences, they put up fences. Of course they subsequently came down because they were unlawfully put up but the persecution has remained from then until now.

In addition to that, they have implemented what they said they were going to do during the four or five days of the siege. They said they were going to adopt a starvation option; we’ll get nothing to eat and we will surrender. That, of course, never happened because we’re accustomed to fasting. Subsequent to that since we came out of prison, legitimately as far as they are concerned, they have now implemented the starvation option because we cannot get no work at all. We are not allowed to work in any government department; we are not allowed in the Police Service, in the Army; we’re not allowed to do anything other regular citizens of this country can do. Although the amnesty had squashed all of that, that never materialized.

So the persecution continues up to today. Twenty-five years, later, the persecution and the oppression and the discrimination against the Jamaat-al-Muslimeen continues up to today.

 

WR:    Many people are saying that the current government is oppressive, even dictatorial. Do you think that the prevailing political conditions might, as we speak, be driving someone with a social conscience like yours to do something about it?

YAB: I don’t know. I don’t know that there are many men in Trinidad and Tobago now because this situation that obtains at the moment could never have happened. The kind of corruption that is happening in this society could never obtain if there were men in this society. So I don’t know where the men are. Every time you try to look up to somebody, they fall in the same corruption bag. Where are the men? Where are the men? And the people support these people. What is ironic is that people support these people. So how out of these same people can come someone who would say: “Look, let’s put an end to this kind of corruption among governments and get a government who would serve the people and not bleed and hæmorrhage the Treasury and think it is theirs and not realise that they are servants of the people.”

I got a case for that and I don’t know how you can ever win that because it was a quote from the American President Thomas Jefferson who said: “Whenever the people are afraid of governments, that is tyranny but whenever the government is afraid of the people that is democracy.”

So I can ask you now: “Where is the democracy? Is the government afraid of the people or are the people afraid of the government?”

It only have one answer, you know. The people are mortified; they’re terribly afraid of the government. That means the police, it means all these extra-judicial killings. So the people are scared, the people are mortified of the government. And, according to Thomas Jefferson, that is tyranny…

The government, on the other hand, are not afraid of anybody. They can’t be afraid of anybody and keep doing what they are doing…

Photo: Trinidad and Tobago Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar (left) and Leader of Government Minister Roodal Moonilal.
Photo: Trinidad and Tobago Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar (left) and Leader of Government Minister Roodal Moonilal.

WR: What do you think the Commission of Enquiry into the events of July 1990? Do you think it was useful or not? 

YAB: A waste of time and money! Millions and millions of dollars wasted. And the poor and the oppressed people in the depressed areas, it would have been well spent giving it to the people in those areas. Because what did it achieve? Nothing!

As a matter of fact, the recommendations that were being made, one of them was that they should pay the teachers in the school. Up to now, the government does not pay the teachers in the school although that was one of the serious recommendations. And so all of the recommendations that have been made, none of them has been implemented. Absolutely nothing… except that I didn’t go so they give me a case which of course they can’t win….

 

WR: Do you have any regrets at all about July 1990?

YAB: No, no, no, I have no regrets.

Photo: Jamaat-al-Muslimeen leader Yasin Abu Bakr. (Courtesy Jyoti Communication)
Photo: Jamaat-al-Muslimeen leader Yasin Abu Bakr.
(Courtesy Jyoti Communication)

WR: If we could somehow return to 1990 and come forward again, what would you change? Would you still go the violent overthrow route and, if yes, what adjustments would you make to your military strategy? I don’t need the details, the broad strategic lines would suffice…

YAB: Well, I don’t know what are the conditions that would obtain at the time so I can’t say what kind of action should be taken. I don’t have any knowledge of the future so I can’t predict what will happen but conditions that prevail at the time is what spurs revolutions and revolts among people. It’s always the conditions that prevail. The conditions that are prevailing now are absolutely no good at all so I don’t know what that can spawn or spur.

 

WR: Fuad, your son, said that “T&T is in a really bad place,” and warned that people were so frustrated that “things could explode.”  This was in the Guardian in July last year.  Do you think that the country is in a better place in 2015 than it was in 1990? 

YAB:     Worse, worse, worse, worse, worse. If something isn’t getting better, it’s getting worse. It can’t remain static, one way. I say it’s getting worse and worse and worse, of course.

Photo: The Joint Trade Union Movement (JTUM) takes to the streets in protest against State corruption.
Photo: The Joint Trade Union Movement (JTUM) takes to the streets in protest against State corruption.

WR: Do you think that the coup helped? How do you see the events of July 1990 in terms of the country’s progress and development? Were they a help or a hindrance?

YAB: Government has continued the same way. All they have tried to do is to repress those who they think would do something.  But it has become worse, worse, worse, worse, worse

 

WR: Monique Roffey, I don’t know if you know her but she wrote a fictional novel called House of Ashes, which is loosely based on what happened in the country in July 1990. At the end of her novel, the insurgents are taken in a bus from the Red House and TTT, lined up against a wall in the Chaguaramas forest and shot. Do you consider yourself lucky to have escaped first with your life and then with your freedom?

YAB: Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah! There is nothing like lucky where I am concerned. I am a Muslim and for me there is nothing like luck. Everything is the decree of Allah.  Whatever Allah decree is what comes to pass so I do not consider myself lucky at all, at all. Whoever wrote that novel, I hope they put “fiction” on it because if they didn’t, they can be sued.

Photo: Yasin Abu Bakr (right) speaks to fellow Jamaat-al-Muslimeen members shortly after their release from prison in 1992. (Copyright AP)
Photo: Yasin Abu Bakr (right) speaks to fellow Jamaat-al-Muslimeen members shortly after their release from prison in 1992.
(Copyright AP)

WR:   Yes, she did say it’s a work of fiction. 

YAB:   Well, in fiction anybody could say anything or write anything.

 

WR:   Since we’re talking books, I read the following paragraph somewhere: 

In fairness to all concerned, the idea of living together as a community with meaningful goals and aspirations for bettering oneself and the society at large was the primary goal of the Jamaat when it was formed; but as things went along, ideas and agendas were misrepresented, misinterpreted and misunderstood. People changed, times changed and, along the way, some things had a negative impact on the original ideology and philosophy of the Jamaat.

Would you like to comment on that?

YAB: No, no, no, no, no. Who said that? Not at all. I don’t know that at all. The ideology and the philosophy of the Jamaat remain the same, no change.

Photo: Jamaat-al-Muslimeen Imam Yasin Abu Bakr (centre) leaves the Port of Spain Hall of Justice in the company of his bodyguards. (Courtesy Power102)
Photo: Jamaat-al-Muslimeen Imam Yasin Abu Bakr (centre) leaves the Port of Spain Hall of Justice in the company of his bodyguards.
(Courtesy Power102)

WR:   Is the Jamaat-al-Muslimeen a spent force or is it, in your opinion, stronger today as a political force than it was in 1990? To what extent is the Jamaat-al-Muslimeen of 1990 intact? I don’t mean in terms of the personnel, I mean in terms of the philosophy, the ideology that spawned the attempted coup.

YAB: Well, it depends on who is asking that question because that question have several different answers. But because it is you asking the question I will tell you that is a lot of nonsense.

 

WRTo what extent is the Jamaat-al-Muslimeen relevant today?

YAB:  In every way, to every extent. As it has always been , we are a service-oriented, community-oriented body that still serves the poor and the oppressed.

Photo: NNV political leader Fuad Abu Bakr (left).
Photo: NNV political leader Fuad Abu Bakr (left).

WRIs the Jamaat-al-Muslimeen planning to engage actively or already actively engaged in formal politics? Is the New National Vision party which Fuad leads the political arm of the Jamaat-al-Muslimeen? 

YAB:  Politics is involved in every aspect of a human life. No human being is ever devoid of the political on-goings in a society. Whatever decisions a politician makes affects everybody so nobody can remain aloof from the decision-making body of the politics. So everybody is constantly involved in politics, one way or the other. Some vocal, some otherwise but everybody is involved in politics. It affects everybody.  

 

WR: So is it safe to say that the Jamaat-al-Muslimeen is a part of the country’s future? Are there young people – and “young” does not mean, as one of your trusted lieutenants said to me recently, necessarily under 25 but perhaps under 50 – willing and able to take up the reins when eventually you have to pass them on?

YAB:  Everybody will die, including my good self and Nature has a way of throwing up its own leaders. It is obvious that somebody will come after me obviously but the Jamaat will be here forever and ever. The Jamaat is not a political organisation. The Jamaat is a religious organization that serves the poor and the oppressed in the repressed communities. And they will be here forever insha Allah because we have had, we have four generations of children already now.

We have grand and great grand and great-great-grand and so we will defend our position from generation to generation. There is going to be no change in our policy, no change. We want to live as free people and be able to practise our religion without hindrance or without fear and that will go on from generation to generation to generation until we succeed.

Photo: A Muslim observes prayer time.
Photo: A Muslim observes prayer time.

WR: Since we’re talking Jamaat generation, the word out on the streets is that some of the people going to join ISIS are second generation Jamaat children. I am told that even entire families are running to Syria and Iraq to join ISIS. So what is your take on that, on the suggestion that the Jamaat is sending people to Syria?

YAB: I have no idea what ISIS is about so I can make no comment. And as far as I am concerned, I do not know anybody from the Jamaat-al-Muslimeen who has gone to ISIS or who has gone to Syria. That is a no comment question because everybody who is here in Trinidad making comments about ISIS they know nothing about ISIS and Syria except what they see on the BBC or what they see in CNN and the CNN and the BBC is who dropping bombs in Syria and thing so their guess is as good as mine…

 

WR: Do you think that you owe the country, the people of T&T, your countrymen, an apology for what happened in July 1990? I mean, you overestimated the degree of disaffection in the society or that you misread the level of desire the population of Trinidad and Tobago had to help themselves?

YAB: The people of Trinidad and Tobago owe me an apology. I don’t owe them any apology and I’ll never apologise; they owe me an apology. (I condemn) This whole business of making pronouncements without having any facts or any knowledge of the truth of this matter, except peripheral things. But the real truth of this matter they have not been able to get from me and I am the author of this book. I wrote this book.  So until I give my story about what really happened, everybody is just guessing.

I don’t think the people underestimated, underrated what they could do because when the election came the people wiped the slate clean. The government was completely wiped off. Everybody.  That was the referendum between us and them and the people wiped them off completely. If the people was not in support of us, would they do that? It was democracy against Islamic fundamentalism. Seven times a day on the radio. Every day. Everything. All the propaganda that could have been made against us was made to brainwash the people into making a decision when they came to the election.

When they came to the election, the people literally wiped them off so that was my referendum between me, the people and the government of the day. And those same people are still there and I am still here and they still have governments who continue to do the same and worse than that government was doing…

Photo: Former NAR Cabinet member Jennifer Johnson.
Photo: Former NAR Cabinet member Jennifer Johnson.

WR: So we’re talking elections now.  Is the Jamaat-al-Muslimeen in any way seeking to influence the outcome of the 2015 elections by advising its members how to vote? 

YAB: No, no, no, no, no.

 

WR: Do you have a view you wish to share on the outcome of the imminent general elections?

YAB: No.

WR: Okay, Imam. Thank you very much.

About Otancia Noel

Otancia Noel
Otancia Noel has a Literatures in English bachelor's degree at COSTAATT and is finishing a Masters in Fine Arts, Creative writing and Prose Fiction at UWI. She grew up on the Jamaat-al-Muslimeen compound in Mucurapo.

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162 comments

  1. Yes abu i remember them runnin in the mosque every friday complaints fell on deaf ears .the dead police officer that saw the room full of drugs in the airport and the corrupt politicians and her subsequent killling … But people wont talk about that

  2. Now having said that bkkkkkk to my crack pipe

  3. Bakr bakr bakr you are a guy that tends to flip flop if you gv something to reveal plzzzzz do this cloak n dagger crap yuh on since nineteen o long jeeezzzzzzze its 2018 dude NEW SCRIPT

  4. And because they never kill this cunt is why the muslimeen extorting businesses all over trinidad.
    This backward ass country set a standard that muslimeen are above the law, hence they operate in such a manner today!!
    Send dem come Jamaica where it have real fucking bad man and where business men not taking no talk from imps like dem. They wouldn’t last a week!!!!

  5. If he does not say what needs to be said, and like yesterday, he is part of the problem, not the solution.

  6. Murderers walking free in this place. That’s the only way to describe them. This will never ever again take place in this country again. There is always another way solve a problem than what happened here. I understand his issues but this was not the answer. This will never happen again.

  7. Half ass fools, if they’d have finished the job things wuld have been soooo much better!!‍♂️

  8. Bahahaha. Clean up the drugs. Rightt. You mean take it and seek it for yourselves

  9. The family of the people who lost their lives innocently probably don’t care.

  10. He and all didn’t know what he was doing.

  11. At least he stood up against something he believed .I don’t think he would just get up one morning and say hey let’s storm Parliament .meanwhile presently the real enemy is spilling blood left right and center .deep down some of you wish there were a group brave enough to fight back even if it meant employing these same insurrectionists .

  12. The drugs made him do it. And the guns still roaming tnt. Sigh

  13. Steups!! “Stupid, dangerous criminal tries to take over a country. ” End of story

  14. Steups. I read about half of this interview. Blah blah blah…. De government was coming to kill we and mash up we place. That’s about it. Basically he decided to mash up de country instead. And all this crap about I won’t tell you the real story is just a load of . I for one am sorry nobody had the balls to blow up the bus

  15. Why do they still make this nobody feel like he is still somebody

  16. What is this man being highlighted? He should have been dealt with 28 years ago.

  17. Not interested in anything that evil man has to say

  18. Hear what eh, is either yuh tell we or shut the hell up. Boo !!!

  19. All I will say is that the ministry of national security allowed the coup to take place for their own government / influential folks agendas and this is the same thing that happened in my second sweetest country America when the terrorist attacked the World trade centers because when it comes to the Muslims and their agendas every country have to make certain that they never turn a blind eye and always monitor their movements and listen in to their conversations and even some of the soldiers in the army was also to be involved and at the last moment they the soldiers had to run to the hills for their safety until being captured and why I mentioned about America was because the terrorist tried to take down those same buildings some years before and they never make certain that it wudda never happened again Well it gave President Bush and his cronies the rights that they wanted in other to go after Samdam Hussien and the main head of the terrorist organization so coming back to the agenda in our sweet country the influential folks in our sweet country maybe wanted the Muslims out of the way because the fight was really against the drugs in our sweet country and was hoping that they would have been executed once and for all after the failed coup and then look what happened after they were freed Mr Abu lost controlled of the. Fight against the drugs and even some Muslims themselves got involved in the drug trade guns and ammunition our people really needs to remove the cobwebs from their eyes and see who are the is people / race that is getting mucho rich from the drug trade guns and ammunition in our sweet country Them really good yes

  20. What did that “commission of inquiry ” ever reveal? Millions of $$$ spent on it …

  21. He still have not said where the arsenal came from.

  22. Why was he not brave enough to tell his tale before the Commission of Enquiry where at least it would have gone on the record and b tested by queries from the Commissioners?

  23. It’s said “The Truth Shall Set You Free”. So you have been a prisoner for 28 years, and worst, still doesn’t know it. God will be your judge.

  24. They should have killed every faking one of you on the way to chaguaramas. That was the one mistake they make. The land in mucorapo was never yours. It was wrested From the Islamic missionary guild whom it was given to by Eric Williams. The rest of the land you stole from the state who did not have the balls to take it back.

    • Is that a responsible statement? Should we gun down all squatters then? (Assuming that they are)
      When people are made to feel like second class citizens, we are creating a dangerous scenario.

    • These idiots just committed an act of treason. You answer your own question

    • All squatters should be evicted. Only in this banana Republic do adults like you condone this nonsense

    • Ramohed i have no issue with saying squatters should be evicted. But if you remember what happened, the Muslimeen surrendered and came out with their arms raised.
      Shooting an unarmed man is not justice. After that, the courts ruled and we just have to live with that. So there can’t be any question of revenge.
      We have to try not to repeat past mistakes now.

    • Lasana Liburd How you arrived at killing squatters???And what feeling like second class citizens have to do with anything. If you feel so, should you steal state lands. What kind of donkey logic is that? apparently you missed the class on logic.

    • Ramohed if you read over what I said, I wrote that persons feeling like second class citizens creates a dangerous scenario.
      You were the one who said to shoot everyone down. And I asked if you were gunning them down for squatting. Because they surrendered after the attempted coup. Or were you saying that they should have been gunned down with their hands up?
      Maybe you should explain your initial outburst.

  25. Thats why we never reach nowhere in this life, in every story there is a truth. In everything nothing he said you can say is his opinion or lie we only follow blind cause that is what was taught. We take life for granted and give value to material were without us money and wealth and power means nothing. You throw the first stone just as guilty as the onlooker. So when you say these thing’s about blow up you my friend are a follower life is about learning and he is right if someone no matter who ever man it is, cause we all bleed the same blood. Provoke you and your family what would you do? People only talk, be in such a position and see how things change. The amount of money past through Trinidad and tobago from then to now, do you feel we should still be having interferry problems or having so many youths killing each other? Have no respect for life but respect for everything man make and say stuepssss. If you all have nothing educated to say or add to better the little island, best you say nothing at all, cause words have power and ignorance is not educated is loyalty, respect,trust faith and love that keeps good value to life not what you have.

  26. Still cannot understand all the conspiracy theories, 28 years later and the full truth behind the events yet to me exposed. Yawns…

  27. Why aren’t we prepared to hear? By listening it does not mean we accept. What it does is we are given the opportunity to analyse and rebut if necessary or tell him where to shove it, if that is necessary.

  28. I don’t know why a horse don’t find that man and kick him again.

  29. Shoulda launch a blasted rocket in allyuh arse on the bus to Chaguaramas… talk done…

  30. Why he aint keep he old arse quiet. He is not relevant to society.

  31. Evrythin u faced with in life are options…once u made that choice..you live with it…the choice he made had consequences…so dude deal with it… nobody put a gun to your head….js… ya cant have regrets… your decision and yours only!!

  32. Doing a wrong to right a wrong is wrong.

  33. For those who are negative… This goes deeper than what you are seeing on the surface. We are a ppl who are quick to judge and when we pass judgements we believe whatever we see and hear without actually knowing the story behind it. At the end of the day the coup happened and we are judging based on what we are told. We was not behind the scenes. I’m sure most of you don’t have the background info as to why it really went down. Abu just gave y’all a piece and from the comments I agree with him….we as a people are not ready to hear the truth about 1990.

    • So stay in a state of stupidity….bakr is above and beyond all trinis…he is the one to say what we can understand and ready tk hear….well if thats the case…he committed act of treason and terrorism and should have been killed….anyone that thinks democracy is against fundamental islamic belief should go to a ckuntry where fundamental islamic view is law…wuh u doin here still??and he dont know about isis and syria???so where he went and train ?

    • My dear….I have my opinion just like everyone else….no need to be commenting on my thread and be out of place and disrespectful. At the end of the day…..I know what I know. I didn’t say that he was right to do what he did but when a person is provoked and pushed to their breaking point they react…..to every action deserves a reaction. When you begin to understand life on a level that is above your own understanding then by all means we can have a constructive conversation other than that ….f**k off!

  34. joining rachel price chupidy club

  35. Ah… Ain’t it the members of his organization pictured doing drugs in prison. Okay…

  36. they are not muslims, they are an insult to islam. they cannot force their authority upon people because they are not pleased with their authority, that’s what elections are for. and the inocent masses have to suffer because the system requires proof to expedite a criminal irrespective to the public knowledge about them. if the government cannot deal with this matter now it will only give way to an uprising of vigilanties who will conduct the duties of judge, jury and executioner for these criminals and terorists and they wouldn’t cowardly conceal themselves behind any religion.

  37. wow i wish i had a drug like that … give him 1million dollars and land

  38. Good article. There has always been that rumour that the AG. top police officer and the army where in collusion with drug dealing back then. Remember the policewoman who was killed? Alas until he is ready to tell all we would never know for sure.

  39. In absolute agreement with you Dawn.

  40. Chabeth Haynes….Note that all my posts are general, directed at Trinis & not at any 1 person. If you decide to personalize my comments, view them as weak, insulting, high-handed and as belittling you….as a woman….that’s your right. I found your interpretation and choice of adjectives interesting to say the least, esp the introduction of gender to pit one against the other. lol. But to each his own. I reiterate: my view has and continues to be, on this thread & others, that until our behaviour changes drastically…we Trinis are not proactive: willing to talk more than to do.

  41. Chabeth Haynes….Note that all my posts are general, directed at Trinis & not at any 1 person. If you decide to personalize my comments, view them as weak, insulting, high-handed and as belittling you….as a woman….that’s your right. I found your interpretation and choice of adjectives interesting to say the least, esp the introduction of gender to pit one against the other. lol. But to each his own. I reiterate: my view has and continues to be, on this thread & others, that until our behaviour changes drastically…we Trinis are not proactive: willing to talk more than to do.

  42. Not to shoot down anything you’re saying but I really don’t think a boycott is as straightforward as you do. In any case, if you wish to continue this dialogue you can msg me and we can do so privately. I don’t feel the need to clutter anybody’s notification list with my posts. Especially when there are ppl who would much rather I just STFU! Hahaha! If not, see you on another thread.

  43. Note I didn’t just mention protests. I said boycott too. That is step two.

  44. Lasana Liburd, I have no plans to ever kill anybody in this life, but hey, plans change so we’ll see if I make it to the other side without killing anybody I guess. 😉
    As for these peaceful protests… how many of them actually bring about change?
    The fact that the section 34 march (and general outcry) was able to bring about action with regard to that legislation is testament to what an affront it was. But let’s be honest… most peaceful protests don’t bring about change. As Debbie mentioned, the protest against corruption was bigger but less effective. Ask yourself why…

  45. When someone is attempting to spur people into action by saying #OccupyMovement or #TiananmenSquare or #ArabSpring, the images and realities (death, violence etc. etc.) of those events are what come to my mind. A section 34 march or a vigil for Dana Seetahal does not come to my mind when I hear Arab Spring. So apologies if my mind flew of the reservation and misinterpreted your message and/or intent.
    Having said that however, I find your judgement of me as an armchair critic to be very unfortunate. You don’t know me. I don’t know you. Save for one occasion when my former secondary school principal commented on a thread, I don’t think I have ever known anyone I was engaging on any of these threads. So why you would want to take what was a disagreement on an issue and a way forward and personalize it by casting aspersions on me is confusing. In no society can every member afford the luxury of trying to make their community/country better. I see no reason to condemn them for that. For those of us who are privileged enough to be in a position to help, our contributions take different forms for a variety of reasons. Again, you don’t know me. You know nothing about what I do or if and how I attempt to make this country better. Some people participate in marches/demonstrations, some people work with weaker groups in society, some people give money. I do not get on a high horse and act as if my contribution is better than anybody else’s so I would appreciate it if nobody attempted to belittle what I consider to be valid ways that I try to help. Especially again, as nobody here knows me or what I do.
    Perhaps however what is most unfortunate about your weak dismissal of me as an armchair critic is that in 2015 women continue to remain their own worst enemy. Lasana and I disagree on this issue as well. Yet, at no time did he attempt to dismiss me, belittle me, or insult me. Why did you? Smfh…

  46. well said Lasana Liburd. This was one of the most unbiased pieces I have read. I was not in Trinidad for the coup and never quite understood what provoked it. I am clearer now!

  47. Yup Debbie Espinal, most of us are just armchair critics who feel that posting on FB is our contribution to society, and delight in finding reasons and ways to avoid taking action. Maybe i have been living outside of TT for too long but…….its painful to witness our unwillingness to reflect, examine and recalibrate

  48. Of course i did Savitri and i was sadly disappointed at the turn out. So many thousands expressed outrage at her killing yet less than 50 people turned out. That’s why TNT is the way it is. We do all the talking from the comfort of our homes. So many things took place in this Country in the last 5 years and yet our voices were not raised . Seems like we like wallowing in shit.

  49. Debbie, you remember Dana’s vigil as well?

  50. As someone who took part in the Section 34 march i have to agree there wasn’t any violence. Also took part in another one against corruption around the time with the two pull incident and that was even bigger. Still no violence but we didn’t achieve much from it either. Despite much heckling from Family and friends i went out there and marched. I begged people to come and join me. I wrote and pleaded on FB and everybody had an excuse and those same persons were the ones lamenting the state of the country but not one of them got up off their asses and marched. In the US if they raise the price of eggs everybody will stop buying eggs and the price will go back down in TnT all we get is egg in our faces.

  51. Chabeth Haynes, are you going to kill someone? Hope not. Lol. Nobody died in the Section 34 protest. We have had protests here without deaths.
    I don’t think the outside possibility of violence is enough reason to abandon the whole idea.

  52. Lasana has a point. If we can take something from the Coup it would be the many memorable home limes people had because we were under curfew. So if we boycott night life which is big business in this town it will hurt. The hard part will be getting the young people, half of whom don’t remember the coup to take the stance. Unfortunately not many of them involved in politics either. Can we get citizens to boycott all entertainment? I think not. No Movietowne, no Shakers etc, no Casinos, restaurants, Shut down the Avenue and St James??? We might have a better chance of seeing two pull in jail.

  53. Never mind! Sorry! We’ve already established we disagree. Zipping my mouth and resting my fingers on this one.

  54. You can live with violence and death too?

  55. I can live with the social instability bit Chabeth Haynes. And to be honest, we can probably link more than a few deaths to some of the stuff we would protest against.
    Like preliminary enquiries and State corruption.

  56. No, that wasn’t my point at all. Especially in this particular thread.

  57. I hope your point is that the violence against these civil resistance/democracy movements (in search of political and economic reform ie: corruption) was perpetrated principally by the corrupt state and their law enforcement institutions in a quest to remain in power. Pity you didn’t mention the CHANGE that these and other protest movements brought about (as Lasana was advocating for in TT). People’s collective efforts and sacrifices were not in vain.

  58. All events/movements with varying amounts of violence, social instability and death.

  59. What Lasana is proposing has been done in other countries effectively., but we trinis expect someone else, like the US, to come clean up our dirty mess. Steups. We are one lazy ass bunch of armchair commentators. Always some tired lame excuse……. #OccupyMovement #TiananmenSquare #ArabSpring

  60. Ther are certain businesses I dont patronise because i see what they’re doing to people trying to earn an honest living

  61. Ok, Lasana Liburd, let’s leave it at we disagree.

  62. We know we can’t reach the politicians Chabeth Haynes. But we know the politicians are beholden to their financiers.
    So that’s where you strike. Let’s say Sabga is a major financier–just a hypothetical example–then stop using his products for one week and he will get the PM in a meeting.
    There is always a way.
    And I’m saying that failure to show our disgust at these things is pretty much comparable to accepting it.

  63. And if bar/club owners or whoever lose one weekend of business, trust and believe they are going to find a way for us to make it up for them. But my initial point was that because the police isn’t doing its job re:Jack and the Hyatt incident does not mean there is national apathy to white collar crime.

  64. You really think we the people can motivate politicians more than their shady financiers? I’m not averse to trying strategies, I’m just not optimistic that anything will provide a long term solution.

  65. The police bylaws were not written on burning bush. People did it.
    People can be motivated to adjust it too.
    The system continues because the people who can change it are not bothered.
    If you ask what we can do, I will say make the decision makers as bothered as we are.
    They can be creative when they want to be. Look at Section 34.
    But I’m happy to hear other suggestions too.

  66. So then the PM would instruct the commissioner to tell police officers to do their jobs? Isn’t the commissioner supposed to be free of political interference?

  67. It will, and it will take more than one weekend to make them see it but Trinis will not give up their comfort unless they’re forced to. Dey a$$ too fat

  68. If everyone takes a weekend away from all nightlife to show our unhappiness with our personal security… No lime on the Avenue or anywhere else.
    I’d bet you the Chamber of Commerce or whoever else will have the PM in a meeting by Monday.
    From Friday evening to Sunday night, Trinis lime at home and invite your friends over there for a drink instead.
    Do you think that will be enough to catch “their” attention? I think it will.

  69. Lasana first people have to stop playing games and taking sides i.e. be objective in their condemnation. It cant be right for one do to it and wrong for the other. This election season has given rise to a lot of fanaticism and its not healthy.

  70. What are we to boycott and where are we to protest to get the police to do their job?

  71. There are other ways of grabbing the attention of the country’s decision makers without guns. Boycotts are one. Protests are another.
    We need to have more appetite for standing up to corruption. Because they don’t get tired of finding ways to rob taxpayers.

  72. Since 1990 polticians have neutered the protectives services. Look at the funeral last night, all the gunshots ringing out were not from the police, but from “mourners” and not one body could do anything about it. We are now an extension of the Middle east.

  73. Shameful, who gave you the authority? Stupes what rubbish

  74. But again, what are we as private citizens to do? What are we to do about politicians raping the treasury when we have a political system that offers us either or and either and or both find their ways to steal? When we could have done something about section 34, we did. What are we to do about the police not investigating crimes as they should? What are we to do about a prison system that has ppl locked up for a decade without having their case called? these things require constitutional reform which has to come from parliament. And you can bet your house and land that politicians are not going to reform a constitution in a way that decreases their power or the power of their friends.
    But I really do find the tone of the rhetoric and the views being expressed in this latter part of the thread to be so ironic given our initial collective response to the article/interview.

  75. IMHO i think all the ills currently plaguing our society stems from white collar crime. When the lil youthman sees the big jefes getting away with murder ,sometimes literally, he thinks crime is just a way of life here. I’m not as eloquent as Dawn but i agree totally with everything she’s written. We sat by and watched these criminals rape our treasury right in front our faces and did nothing. We know who is bringing in all the drugs and ammunition and yet our security services do nothing because some of their seniors are directly involved. It has to be else why does it continue unabated. Our maritime borders are unprotected and i think deliberately so. People who know are fearful of coming forward because theirs and their Family’s lives will be at risk. WE are a lawless society and each and everyone has a part to play in it It starts with all of us. When we throw a piece of garbage out the window, that is a crime. When we run a red light that is a crime, when we park illegally that is a crime, when we play our music so loud that neighbours can’t hear themselves think, that is a crime, when we drive over the speed limit that is also a crime I can go on and on but until we deal with fixing those little crimes which we take for granted as part of the norm and fix in our heads that these things are wrong then we’re heading nowhere as a society. Meanwhile Rome burns.

  76. Lasana Liburd, what are you using as the measure of public acceptance? The fact that Jack retained his seat?
    I don’t think that indicates public acceptance, at least not nationally. If anything, I think it shows public powerlessness.
    The failure of the TTPS to investigate this as they should is an indictment on the TTPS. If the DPP can’t get them to reopen the case and investigate, how am I supposed to?
    And I would argue that the little public sympathy for Jack since the US trained their guns on him testifies to the fact that we aren’t willing to accept white collar crime but rather we just don’t trust the authorities to deal with it nor do we have the capacity to deal with it ourselves so we throw our hands up in the air and just vent to each other about it. So yeah, thank goodness for the big bad USA. And I really don’t think the public is on the side of not extraditing Ish and Steve either. I think most people are fed up but just don’t feel like they can do anything about it.
    I do think it’s interesting that we’re having this dialogue on this thread though given the interview that started the entire discussion.

  77. So it will all be revealed in time? Sounds like Jack Warner. Yet another parasite who thrives on the suffering of this country. He’s in good company.

  78. Dawn Foderingham, I agree with you. Here’s an example Chabeth Haynes.
    The DPP ordered a police investigation into the “alleged” Jack Warner bribery incident at the HYATT hotel with Bin Hammam money.
    The police did not investigate and then COP Gibbs said “case closed.” The DPP immediately sent a press release saying that he did not authorise the closing of the case.
    Warner was National Security Minister at the time. Since then? Nothing. Not a peep from the police. Warner acted as Prime Minister after that, left the Cabinet and then retained his seat as Chaguanas West MP.
    I say that shows public acceptance of white collar crime. And it shows that the DPP is largely powerless to do anything about it.
    When Johnny Abraham and his troops gun down young men on the street in Chaguanas, there is no video to corroborate their guilt. But people celebrate.
    Whereas people like Jack and Ish still move around the country like first class citizens.

  79. Why is this a subject? The Koran says one thing he says another! What do ppl expect from bipolar ppl? Sanity apologies ? No

  80. The DPP doesn’t give the go ahead to arrest anybody without evidence. The quality of the evidence may be a point of argument, but there is still evidence. In violent crimes, there is usually a complaining witness who gives a statement (and may have bodily scars etc to corroborate) and that helps with being able to arrest someone accused of a violent crime. If I am not involved in white collar crime how do I get the evidence to support any allegation? And if I am involved, why would I say anything? It’s like the entire FIFA/CONCACAF situation… Blazer got turned by the FBI and so people ended up getting caught…it’s not like anybody went to the authorities and said people are embezzling millions of dollars…

  81. I have a different perspective. In my view: ppl tolerate white collar crime. There is a moral blind spot when it comes to WCC vs violent crime that causes physical harm/death. It is civilized, not done with violent force, doesn’t involve gun shoot outs spilling blood publicly, happens nice and quietly behind closed doors and is usually perpetrated by persons with social status and/or the best and brightest (or smart con men). It is also less heavily penalized than other types of crime. It is usually the big sawatees who engage in it on a large scale. Yes ordinary Joe Public engages in it, but on a much smaller scale! Re your question what is anybody to do and we have no evidence?? Do we have evidence that Atwell was guilty of the alleged crime for which he was held in Remand for 7+ years (b4 committing the crime of escaping from the Royal Gaol?) Yet every Tom, Dick & Harrylal calls him and his ex-peers in Remand criminals. Section 34 ….that was a one off, like Mannings desire to purchase a private jet. Generally Trinis just post on FB or throw their hands up in the air and ask………what can anybody do?? Sadly, we are not known to be a proactive society.

  82. How many members in the OWTU? NATUC? PSA?
    Some informal chicks a few years back estimated the Jammat following to be about 8,000 members, from east to west Trinidad and with pockets in south and central.
    If that’s not an influential voting block I don’t know what is.

  83. Idk that anybody “tolerates” white collar crime. Really what is anybody to do? Ppl make an uproar when they can, hence section 34 is no longer law, but what are ppl to do about white collar criminals when they have no evidence? Room 201 was on video… Video that in 2015, cannot be used in a court of law. At the end of the day, politicians across all parties concede to us when it does not jeopardize them or their financiers/friends greatly. But once the cost of concession is too high it doesn’t come. That’s the reality. Ppl have been talking about prison reform forever… Where is it? Politicians have no real will to get it done, so it doesn’t get done. Constitutional reform?? Ppl keep talking but if politicians don’t want it for whatever reason, we aren’t going to get it.

  84. I am grateful to have insight via this interview into Abu Bakr’s head space. Does he have credibility? Maybe not with us who post here, but with a lot of people in our society yes he does! Is he arrogant, unforgiving, etc.:yes!! But I agree with Lasana, he is a leader to many and with influence at the political level … whether we like it or not. He/JAM is part of who we are. Therefore we need to deal with that and not run away from reality or just blame him anytime a crime happens in TT. Our Gov’t chose not to prosecute the JAM again after the Privy Council noted that the amnesty was invalid. Most Trinis want an apology from Abu Bakr, but sorry is just a word. He isn’t sorry for what he has done!! So saying SORRY,what will that do? It won’t change what has happened or how 1990 has impacted on society/on us! We trinis need to be more accountable for our part in letting TT get to where it is today. We have been part of the slide, slump, accommodation, turning of our heads, etc. Did we care about the hostages when partying every night during the attempted coup/SOE? Did we care or support the families left behind? Did we help Raoul when he was suffering with his addiction due to PTSD? Why don’t we call out, stand up against those shipping drugs in juice cans, chickens, etc? They are facilitating the guns, drugs, crime and so on that plague our society. Or fight for prosecution of the Life Sport thieves in that debacle where 34 million of OUR dollars went in one fell swoop via a bloodless coup? Harmful in many ways, but yet we tolerate white collar crime. Room 201, a Minister allegedly doing drugs was just another 9 days wonder, unlike Britain where the Lord has already resigned and facing calls for prosecution! Why don’t we call for real prison reform in a system that locks up men like Atwell, Shelby et al for 7+ years with NO access to justice, to a trial, but rejoice when they are killed like dogs and their pictures posted on the front page like animals? We are in a sad sad state of affairs in TT when all we do is focus on this one man when so much has gone wrong in what was once our beautiful paradise.

  85. I still don’t think I understand what their long term plan was.

  86. No interview at all. he’s not worth it.

  87. What a load of rubbish by Mr Bakr/Lennox Phillip. In 1990 the Jamaat was a small time organisation. The mere fact that he went with a ragtag bunch of insurgents with the aim to overthrow the government of the day (114 men mind you, not 11,400!) smacks of some serious delusion…or was it a means to another end? For some weird reason, the Jamaat came out stronger than ever after that shady “amnesty” and release (despite their involvement in the murders of a sitting MP and Red House & Police Headquarters staff) and grew in strength no doubt through political patronage by subsequent governments via a URP contract monopoly and free rein in Laventille and the East-West corridor. Coincidentally, the leaders of the governments post-NAR benefitted greatly politically in the elections of 1991, when by all accounts their careers were basically dead and buried when they were wallowing on the opposition benches but safely at home on that sad day.

  88. What would be an appropriate effort of “full disclosure” in an interview with Abu Bakr?

  89. Idk that he ever had credibility with anybody outside of the Jamaat, but if he did, the article had to rid him of all of it. I truly find these answers ridiculous. Idk if he truly doesn’t understand what 1990 did to this country or if he’s just pretending… either way, he can’t see past himself.

  90. No one needs bury their heads in the sand, (though we would still hear the sound of bullets from 1990) but every time the media gives this man exposure without full disclosure of what he is…it gives him a little too much credibility…

  91. Kendall Tull, answer honestly: Whom would you prefer to interview Denesh Ramdin after a West Indies whitewash, Christopher Martin Jenkins or Tony Cozier? Whom would you prefer to interview Jack Warner after he is charged, Lasana Liburd or Andrew Jennings? Whom would you prefer to interview Kamla Persad-Bissessar at election time, 195.5’s John Gill or the GISL’s Andy Johnson? I know what my answers would be… I’m with Chabeth on this; I give readers credit.

  92. THIS IS WHY THE OLD PEOPLE SAY A STORY HAS 3 SIDES AND TIME REVEALS ALL

  93. IF WHAT HE IS SAYING IS TRUE. I FEEL THAT THE STUNT THAT WAS RECENTLY PULLED TO PROVOKE HIM WILL BACKFIRE. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO IF HE USES HIS RESOURCES AND INTELLIGENCE, GATHERS EVIDENCE AND HOLDS A WELL TIMED PRESS CONFERENCE?

  94. so their rights were infringed, they thought their only option was to take up arms against the gov’t, a gov’t that had to do many unpopular things to pull the country out of an economic slump (and it was working, the one love was working a people working for a better T&T)
    what followed in the years since 1990 has been the downward spiral, an erosion of the core of the general public’s level of education, security, health and existence.
    It wasn’t their intention but it created room for the political impasse we have suffered two general elections after the coup, The farcical representation of the Jamaat by a devious defense lawyer who in turn became the country’s AG, the 18/18 deadlock, the change of political party power but the same khaki pants.

    That is the true crime coming out of July 27th 1990

  95. I have some question for Abu:
    [1] Is it not treason to take up arms against a nation’s democratically elected government?
    [2] Is it not the high of hypocrisy to attack your nations’s Constitution and then use the same Constitution to avoid the stated punishment for said actions?
    [3] Is is not true that you and your followers would have been publicly executed if T&T was an Islamic state?

  96. I dont for one minute believe his visit to Enterprise on Thursday was to bring peace.

  97. Look, I doh want to hear he nah, the damn murderer.

  98. Sunning himself in the Med, taking in the Roman ruins at Leptis Magna, I’m sure..

  99. Civilians cannot play police and expect society to function like it should… But when you say the situation today is worse than it was 25 years ago AND you have no remorse for what you did 25 years ago… It provides no comfort.

  100. Why did he travel to Libya regularly? Look yes…

  101. This title sounds like he was on drugs when he did it. Good thing I read some of the article. Lol

  102. Before whining about victimisation he should tell us where he got all the money to import the weapons and how did they come in

  103. The feeling that this group is above the law really rankles and he doesn’t realise it. Feels misunderstood, poor thing. If he wanted to target drugs and the sources of drugs, why did he not lead a mini jihad to Colombia and Venezuela? Roughing up and humiliating ministers, injuring the PM, directly or indirectly causing the deaths of almost 3 dozen people, extracting an amnesty under duress, refusing to testify at the CoE, refusing to apologise to the victims and the country, instead playing the victim, Occupying lands illegally, thriving, some say, partly due to some involvement in the trade themselves, allegedly being guns for hire. Trinis would be forgiven for not feeling his type of patriotism, defending honour and what is right. People with a stick of ganja have served more time. Good to not bury heads in sand, of course, but I think he’s severely deluded if he’s ignorant of just how much this pains the nation. I’d stick my head out and say the country cannot draw a line under this until there’s at least some sense of remorse. 25 yrs later, only justification, not apology. I’m sure the Koran covers remorse and contriteness. What on earth does he teach these chaps on Fridays? Not good enough.

  104. I din bother to read much of it cause its the same things he’s said in public. Maybe he should also tell us where all his money came from.

  105. Uh… I’ll start with the bit about how the WHOLE of Trinidad and Tobago owes him an apology… I have no recollection of traumatizing anybody in the Jamaat… So if ever an apology is issued it won’t be from me.
    The part where he said there are many answers to the question but because it’s her… He’ll tell her it’s nonsense.
    The part where he said that he hopes the author put fiction on her book because otherwise she could get sued! Are you kidding me????

  106. Lasana…I will say now, what I said then: All 114 of them should have been shot & killed while trying to escape, en route to Chaguaramas.

  107. Chabeth Haynes he starting to sound like Jack. I have more to tell but not now. STEUPS!!

  108. We often devote time to utterances from political leaders. Even though some of them are quite comical too.

  109. Well the Imam has taken a page out of the book of Mr Warner, I will tell the real story “but not tonight”. So a sovereign country continues to be held, in my view, to ransom. We spent a considerable amount of money on a CoE into the coup and we still have the main protagonist deciding on when we would know the truth. Only in T&T.

  110. you either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain…and make no mistake he is the villain now

  111. Not sure what more there is to tell beyond perhaps specific details of the “oppression”.
    I did find this interview very entertaining, some parts were very comical to me.

  112. A little too much influence if you ask me but then again i’m entitled to my opinion.

  113. i really fed of him not telling the entire story…if he wants money write a book

  114. Debbie Espinal, because the Jamaat remains a group of influence in society… And I point to the example of streets in Port of Spain being closed down today for the 10 murder accused… (Although not all the examples are bad)
    Because of that, I feel it is better for us to have an idea about the way they think than not. The interview is done by someone from the Jamaat.
    But I think it is still better than burying our heads in the sand.

  115. Like Abu feel he’s some Robin Hood or something. Have to agree with Li Ju. I just don’t know why the media continues to give this Man the time of day. Steups.

  116. I don’t know where to start….

  117. Oh dear. Abu our very own Robin Hood oui. Lol.

  118. is wah he waiting on?
    Jack?

  119. Lasana I will abstain from commenting on this interview, less I use using obscene language..

  120. The Jamaat writing about itself. What is the point of this Lasana? We already knew he was unrepentant.

    • I still thought it interesting to get his ideas about what occurred. And, since he remains very much a part of society, I think we would be worse off if we didn’t try to get into his head whenever the opportunity is there.

    • I don’t think that we were in any way into his head. To be honest, it reads like a propaganda piece.

    • I have to trust that readers are smart enough to separate propaganda from the insightful bits that say what were in his head then and now.
      There are many examples around our society today that the Jamaat is still a group of some influence.
      So, there is something here for those who wish to know more about that group.

    • Didn’t read like propaganda to me. Really don’t think this puts him in a good light which is the goal of propaganda… To make an unlikeable person or idea seem lovable. I’m not swooning.

    • Chabeth – not all propaganda is successful. To me, it’s a selective bunch of vague, biased information aimed at making him a hero fighting against oppression. Like you, I am not buying this nonsense.

    • Well we aren’t the only ones with powers of perception, now are we Kendall? I’m sure lots of others can see it for what it is.

    • How many stories on the Pope are probably done by Catholics? Anyone can scrutinise his responses and decide the weight of what he is saying for themselves.
      I thought the interviewer asked some good questions. Many people–politicians, attorneys, judges, etc–have tried to get meaningful information from him without success.
      So I can’t fault her.