TTGF blanks Thema; USA Olympic coach bemoans sabotage of T&T gymnast’s chances

United States coach John Geddert, who was the US women team’s head coach at the London 2012 Olympics, has accused the Trinidad and Tobago Gymnastics Federation (TTGF) of standing in the way of Thema Williams’ Olympic preparations—in an explosive exchange of emails—after the local body refused to grant permission for the national gymnast to participate in a Level 10 US meet.

Photo: Thema Williams of Trinidad And Tobago competes on the uneven bars during the 2015 World Gymnastics Championship in Glasgow, Scotland, on 23 October 2015. (Copyright AFP 2016/Andy Buchanan)
Photo: Thema Williams of Trinidad And Tobago competes on the uneven bars during the 2015 World Gymnastics Championship in Glasgow, Scotland, on 23 October 2015.
(Copyright AFP 2016/Andy Buchanan)

Geddert, who trains Williams at his camp in Michigan and led the United States to gold at the last Olympics, warned the local gymnastics body that it was denying crucial “competitive experience” and “athlete motivation” to the Rio-bound gymnast.

The claims were made in a series of emails—dated between Thursday March 10 and Sunday March 13—which provides further acrimonious backdrop to a bizarre standoff between the TTGF and its own star athlete.

TTGF general secretary Elicia Peters-Charles, who responded to Geddert on behalf of the body’s president and COPOS Credit Union general manager David Marquez, confirmed to Wired868 that the emails were authentic but refused to comment on them.

At present, Williams, who is the TTGF’s representative for next month’s Rio 2016 Olympic Test Event, is before the body’s disciplinary committee—along with her alternate, Marisa Dick—after topless photos of the gymnasts were sent to executive members of the federation.

Photo: Trinidad and Tobago gymnast Thema Williams. Williams said she left this photo up for just one day before removing it in February 2015. It was circulated on Tuesday 24 February 2016 by "Georgette Heinz." (Courtesy Georgette Heinz)
Photo: Trinidad and Tobago gymnast Thema Williams.
Williams said she left this photo up for just one day before removing it in February 2015.
It was circulated on Tuesday 24 February 2016 by “Georgette Heinz.”
(Courtesy Georgette Heinz)

Peters-Charles told Wired868, in a previous interview, that Williams breached the body’s code of conduct and suggested that the TTGF had the right to send another gymnast to Rio in her place, if necessary.

On Wednesday March 16, the TTGF must submit its final choice for the Olympic Test Event or face a fine of 1,000 Swiss francs or TT$6,641. Yet, after three weeks, the body is yet to decide on Williams’ fate.

Movement for Social Justice (MSJ) political leader and trade unionist, David Abdulah, served as a mediator last Wednesday—when the TTGF Disciplinary Committee met—and he revealed that the issue was referred to the TTGF’s council, which comprises of the body’s executive and committee members.

“There was just one meeting (with the TTGF) and the recommendation was made to refer the matter back to the council,” Abdulah told Wired868. “I have not heard anything since, so it is really for the council to say what they were doing.”

Does the fact that the matter was referred to the TTGF council, Wired868 enquired, suggest Williams was deemed to have been improperly sent to the Disciplinary Committee in the first place?

Photo: Trinidad and Tobago Gymnastics Federations officials (from right) Ricardo Lue Shue, Elicia Peters-Charles and David Marquez pose with Sport Minister Darryl Smith (second from right). (Courtesy SPORTT)
Photo: Trinidad and Tobago Gymnastics Federations officials (from right) Ricardo Lue Shue, Elicia Peters-Charles and David Marquez pose with Sport Minister Darryl Smith (second from right).
(Courtesy SPORTT)

“I really do not want to speak out of turn,” said Abdulah. “If the (TTGF) council were to make an announcement, I could say something after that. The council has to act first.”

Four days ago, Trinidad and Tobago Olympic Committee president Brian Lewis told Wired868 that he was frustrated with the slow pace of the TTGF’s disciplinary process.

But even as Lewis urged the body to act swiftly in the interest of its Rio-bound athlete, leaked emails suggested that Williams’ coach, Geddert, and the TTGF were having a spectacular disagreement about what constituted the gymnast’s best interest.

In the emails, Peters-Charles claimed to be acting on behalf of Marquez. TTGF second vice president, Ricardo Lue Shue, who was president of the body from 2008 to 2015, is also believed to be an influential member of the body.

The rest of the TTGF executive includes first vice president Akil Wattley, treasurer Susanne Babooram and Lue Shue’s wife, Donna Lue Shue, who serves as assistant treasurer.

Photo: Trinidad and Tobago Gymnastics Federation second vice president and former president Ricardo Lue Shue (left) shakes hands with SPORTT Company official Anthony Creed. (Courtesy SPORTT)
Photo: Trinidad and Tobago Gymnastics Federation second vice president and former president Ricardo Lue Shue (left) shakes hands with SPORTT Company official Anthony Creed.
(Courtesy SPORTT)

Williams’ Olympic Games contract gives the TTGF the right to take the ultimate sanction against the athlete for performing at a meet that is not directly sanctioned by either the local body or the International Gymnastics Federation (FIG).

Athletes Agreement (Section 1.3): “I understand that my participation in gymnastics competitions, exhibitions and/or events that are not sanctioned by the TTGF, or the International Gymnastics Federation (FIG) may jeopardise my eligibility to participate in competitions sanctioned by the FIG.”

Peters-Charles, in one email, suggested that the Level 10 meet was not worthy of an international athlete.

“Having spoken to the President, while we agree that it is important for our elite athletes to compete to maintain readiness,” stated the email, “we are not in agreement with them being elite athletes yet entering any competition as Level 10 athletes.

“Unfortunately, we categorically say no to Thema entering this competition as a Level 10 athlete for the aforementioned reasons.”

Photo: Trinidad and Tobago gymnast Thema Williams performs at the Toronto 2015 Pan American Games. Williams is in line to be Trinidad and Tobago's first gymnast to perform at an Olympic Games. (Courtesy Allan V Crane/Wired868)
Photo: Trinidad and Tobago gymnast Thema Williams performs at the Toronto 2015 Pan American Games.
Williams is in line to be Trinidad and Tobago’s first gymnast to perform at an Olympic Games.
(Courtesy Allan V Crane/Wired868)

A TTGF executive member, who did not want to be identified, insisted Section 1.3 of the athletes’ contract meant that the gymnasts could only participate in FIG or TTGF events and not that they could compete in other events once sanctioned.

“If the federation should breach clause three,” said the source, “then Marisa should sue us and go to Rio. Because the contract would be null and void.”

Ironically, as Geddert pointed out, the TTGF allowed Williams to participate in four Level 10 competitions last year before the 2015 World Artistic Gymnastics Championship in Glasgow.

Williams’ performance at that World Championship was a record for a Trinidad and Tobago gymnast, as she finished 59th overall and 18 places higher than national teammate and current alternate, Marisa Dick. And, in so doing, the former Tots and Tumblers gymnast qualified for the Rio 2016 Olympic Test Event.

“This is the same request that was honored last year where we participated in four Level 10 competitions,” stated Geddert, “as a part of the training plan that produced very satisfying results at the 2015 World Championships…

Photo: United States head coach John Geddert (right) hugs gymnast Gabrielle Douglas at the London 2012 Olympic Games. Geddert trains Trinidad and Tobago gymnast, Thema Williams, at his gym in Michigan. (Courtesy Desert News)
Photo: United States head coach John Geddert (right) hugs gymnast Gabrielle Douglas at the London 2012 Olympic Games.
Geddert trains Trinidad and Tobago gymnast, Thema Williams, at his gym in Michigan.
(Courtesy Desert News)

“Your federation does not know my athlete nor what she needs in terms of the preparation process. It seems a better role would be to support our efforts rather than stand in the way.”

The TTGF source countered that Williams, as an international athlete, would be dropping a level to participate in the meet proposed by Geddert.

And what about the fact that she participated in four Level 10 meets last year?

“She had not qualified for the Olympic Test Event then,” said the TTGF council member. “She is an elite international athlete now.”

In fact, Williams competed in her first World Championship in 2011 and had been a senior elite international athlete for nearly five years.

Geddert, in his emails, argued that the proposed Level 10 meet was meant to fill a “gaping hole” in the TTGF’s own outlined preparation for the Olympic event while it was the most cost effective alternative available to her.

Photo: Trinidad and Tobago gymnast Thema Williams performs a handstand at John Geddert's Twistars Gymnastics Club in Michigan. (Courtesy Thema Williams)
Photo: Trinidad and Tobago gymnast Thema Williams performs a handstand at John Geddert’s Twistars Gymnastics Club in Michigan.
(Courtesy Thema Williams)

And he urged Marquez and Peters-Charles to reconsider their stance in the interest of their own Trinidad and Tobago athlete.

“Our alternative at this point is do nothing for the next 5 weeks,” stated Geddert, who steered the United States to gold at the London 2012 Olympics. “Is nothing better than putting the performances in front of judges? (…) No coach wants to go untested for 5 weeks prior to a major event!

“(…) It seems the (TTGF) decision is based on some extreme misconception that Level 10 gymnastics is ‘unworthy’ of elite participation.

“This is misguided information when in fact a good majority of our top Level 10s in the USA would be considered elites in many countries of the world. Likewise many elites from around the world would be considered Level 10s in the USA…

“In Thema’s financial situation she can not afford to jump on a plane and attend an adequate number of FIG competitions around the world. She has limited financial support…

Photo: Trinidad and Tobago gymnast Thema Williams. (Courtesy Heritage Radio)
Photo: Trinidad and Tobago gymnast Thema Williams.
(Courtesy Heritage Radio)

“Would it be nice to schedule meets abroad? Absolutely? But fiscal responsibility must prevail and thus JO competitions serve a very valuable purpose.”

Geddert claimed also that Williams would benefit mentally from competing alongside her teammates at the meet since: “even the most driven and dedicate athlete can tire of the same ole routine.”

Peters-Charles’ responses, in the emails forwarded by an anonymous source, were vague as to the body’s reason for denying Williams.

In one letter, the TTGF general secretary claimed unspecified lingering “concerns.”

“At this juncture, we do have some concerns about this request,” stated Peters-Charles, “and look forward to you replying to the email sent by (Gymnastics for All committee member) Sarah Lambert to you on the January 2016 report which you submitted, since the questions contained therein were never addressed by you.”

Geddert claimed to be mystified by the suggestion.

Photo: US women gymnastics team’s coach John Geddert celebrates with the rest of the team after the US won gold in the artistic gymnastics event of the London Olympic Games on 31 July 2012 at the 02 North Greenwich Arena in London. (Copyright AFP 2016/Thomas Coex)
Photo: US women gymnastics team’s coach John Geddert celebrates with the rest of the team after the US won gold in the artistic gymnastics event of the London Olympic Games on 31 July 2012 at the 02 North Greenwich Arena in London.
(Copyright AFP 2016/Thomas Coex)

“I am not sure what email you are referring to (from) Sarah Lambert,” stated Geddert. “I have checked my email and spam and do not find any emails from her (dating) January 2016 to present. I have been very diligent with my responses to the requests of the (TTGF).

“I fully understand that a professional response time is part of the responsibilities but have struggled getting the same courtesy from some members of the (TTGF). If you could have her send her questions I would be more than happy to answer them to the best of my ability.”

It is uncertain whether Peters-Charles ever sent the aforementioned questions to Geddert.

“The bottom line for considering this request (to participate at the Level 10 meet),” stated the Michigan-based coach, “should be ‘would competing in this competition in any way lessen Thema chances for success at the test event?’ The answer is NO.

“‘Would competing in this competition serve as an advantage for Thema?’ The answer is YES. Then why deny the opportunity?”

Photo: Well known Trinidad and Tobago personalities Nikki Crosby, Fay-Ann Lyons Alvarez, Penelope Spencer, Maylee Attin-Johnson, DJ Dani, Crystal Cunningham and Sophie KMW pose topless in support of Trinidad and Tobago gymnast Thema Williams. (Copyright Gary Jordan)
Photo: Well known Trinidad and Tobago personalities Nikki Crosby, Fay-Ann Lyons Alvarez, Penelope Spencer, Maylee Attin-Johnson, DJ Dani, Crystal Cunningham and Sophie KMW pose topless in support of Trinidad and Tobago gymnast Thema Williams.
(Copyright Gary Jordan)

However, the TTGF source insisted that the local body would not “make an exception” for Williams to participate at the event, since, in the official’s opinion, it would be unethical to do so and open the board up to legal action from Dick.

In one email, Peters-Charles warned Geddert and Williams that there may be consequences if they did not follow instructions.

“Note carefully if you should do otherwise,” stated the TTGF general secretary, “it come be deemed a fundamental breach of the athlete’s contract.”

Meanwhile, the deadline nears for the TTGF to announce its representative for the Olympic Test Event.

According to Abdulah, it has been five days since a recommendation was made for the matter to be moved from the Disciplinary Committee to the TTGF Council. He does not know what has happened since.

Photo: Marisa Dick, the Rio alternate for Thema Williams, was also referred to the TTGF's Disciplinary Committee for a topless photo. (Courtesy Kamara Heinz)
Photo: Marisa Dick, the Rio alternate for Thema Williams, was also referred to the TTGF’s Disciplinary Committee for a topless photo.
(Courtesy Kamara Heinz)

On Sunday night, the First Citizens Bank held its annual Sports Foundation Awards ceremony. The TTGF applied for the Jeffrey Stollmeyer Award in the Small Category but lost out to the Chess Association.

The gymnastics body’s nominated Dick, rather than Williams, for the 2015 Sportswoman of the Year award.

In its profile of the athlete, the TTGF stated that: “Along with teammate, Thema Williams, Dick earned a berth in the Olympic Games test event in Rio de Janeiro.”

In truth, there is only one berth available to Trinidad and Tobago for the Test Event.

By Wednesday, the gymnastics federation must make its choice.

Photo: Trinidad and Tobago gymnast Marisa Dick performs at the Toronto 2015 Pan American Games. Dick was born in Canada to a Trinidadian mother, Hannifer. (Courtesy Allan V Crane/Wired868)
Photo: Trinidad and Tobago gymnast Marisa Dick performs at the Toronto 2015 Pan American Games.
Dick was born in Canada to a Trinidadian mother, Hannifer.
(Courtesy Allan V Crane/Wired868)

Leaked email from gymnastics coach John Geddert to the TTGF:

From: John Geddert

Sent: Fri, Mar 11, 2016 2:56 pm

Subject: Re: Thema Williams Request

Ms Peters-Charles and associates,

I am not sure what email you are referring to from Sarah Lambert. I have checked my email and spam and do not find any emails from her dates January 2016 to present.

I have been very diligent with my responses to the requests of the TTO. I fully understand that a professional response time is part of the responsibilities but have struggled getting the same courtesy from some members of the TTO.

If you could have her send her questions I would be more than happy to answer them to the best of my ability.
In regards to your “categorical” no to the request to provide my athlete with a well deserved and needed competitive experience, I would ask that the TTO reconsider.

It seems the decision is based on some extreme misconception that Level 10 gymnastics is “unworthy” of elite participation.

Photo: United States gymnastics coach John Geddert.
Photo: United States gymnastics coach John Geddert.

This is misguided information when in fact a good majority of our top Level 10s in the USA would be considered elites in many countries of the world. Likewise many elites from around the world would be considered Level 10s in the USA.

The talent pool is strong and provides worthy opponents for aspiring and growing elites. Many USA elites use the JO system interchangeably as a way of providing experience via convenient and cost effective opportunities.

In Thema’s financial situation she can not afford to jump on a plane and attend an adequate number of FIG competitions around the world. She has limited financial support and her current tuition and travel bill at Twistars USA is over $6,000.

Would it be nice to schedule meets abroad? Absolutely? But fiscal responsibility must prevail and thus JO competitions serve a very valuable purpose.

This is the same request that was honored last year where we participated in 4 Level 10 competitions as a part of the training plan that produced very satisfying results at the 2015 World Championships. It would seem that my plan for Thema would be considered a priority here.

Your federation does not know my athlete nor what she needs in terms of the preparation process. It seems a better role would be to support our efforts rather than stand in the way. Our alternative at this point is do nothing for the next 5 weeks.

Is nothing better than putting the performances in front of judges? Few could present a case that it is. No coach wants to go untested for 5 weeks prior to a major event!

Photo: Trinidad and Tobago gymnast Thema Williams.
Photo: Trinidad and Tobago gymnast Thema Williams.

Your proposed competitive schedule (the one I repeatedly asked for clarification and information long before anything was officially disclosed) left a gaping hole in a strategic training plan (From WOGA/GymNix to the Test Event).

You did not provide any options the fill that gap and therefore we chose the convenience and cost effective local competition.

Additionally in terms of athlete motivation, even the most driven and dedicate athlete can tire of the same ole routine. FIG competitions for Thema were basically her traveling by herself, competing alone without the support of her teammates.

She trains with a team and deserves the opportunity to compete with her training partners. She has earned the right to compete as part of a team, to contribute to a team accomplishment.

This can be stimulating for an athlete. It can add fuel to the motivational fire.

Obviously this is not a major goal, as we must keep our eye on the prize (The Test Event and Olympic Qualifications), but it certainly is worthy of mentioning.

The bottom line for considering this request should be “would competing in this competition in any way lessen Thema chances for success at the test event?” The answer is NO.

“Would competing in this competition serve as an advantage for Thema?” The answer is Yes.

Then why deny the opportunity?

Photo: Sport Minister Darryl Smith (centre) meets with TTGF president David Marquez and his executive committee. (Courtesy SPORTT)
Photo: Sport Minister Darryl Smith (centre) meets with TTGF president David Marquez and his executive committee.
(Courtesy SPORTT)

If we had intended on performing lesser routines then there might be a case for this competition not serving any purpose. We fully intend on competing the same routines that she will use over the next few months. Now is the time to start ramping up.

Furthermore it seems contradictory to require participation in you National Championships, which I believe are judged under Level 10 JO Rules, where the only benefit would be self serving for the TTO. In this case the benefit is for the athlete.

I am not saying that participation in the national event is not important. I believe all national team athletes should give back to the sport that has provided them with such great opportunities but it seems a strange placement of priorities in this case.

I also understand the importance of FIG competitions. In this situation we are talking about providing the best opportunity with serious consideration given the to timing of the event, the cost factors involved, and how much the competition would impact current training (we would rather not take a week out of the gym).

If an FIG event was cost effective, and convenient we would certainly have taken that option. I ask for you to reconsider this denial of my request.

John Geddert

Twistars USA Gymnastics Club

2012 USA Olympic Team Head Coach

2011 USA World Team Head Coach

 

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173 comments

  1. I think someone with plenty clout is holding the TTGF by the short and curlies. Meanwhile a young lady’s years of hard work is jumping up and TnT is once again looking like a banana republic.

  2. Ok people, so what to do? Push Smith?

  3. Lue Shue and his cronies just as corrupt as Cameron & Warner it seems.

  4. I do, and I appreciate your continued objectivity.

  5. Epic rubbish,,,,what a lost!!!!

  6. thats true…i’m just saying that the nomination was in November and the av clips were produced shortly after that… so there is a theoretical chance of them having changed their approach since and were unable to rectify what was presented on Sunday… but that is just hypothetical… just trying to be devils advocate here. I think you know my opinion in this…. and i have this topic already raised at our Board meetings. The part with the Jeffrey Stollmeyer Price was funny though when i heard it on Sunday evening and it seemed i was not the only one in the auditorium…

  7. Karen Araujo you have to read this…. dc referred back to council… look like now that we have come to realize d stunt aint working, no one wants to live up to own that smelly brown stuff in d fan…..

  8. But Andreas there have never been 2 spots allocated to TTO.

  9. It seems that we continuously get it wrong. I am really hoping that federation has our athletes ultimate success at heart here but it’s difficult to see. It seems that we allow ego and misplaced pride to determine our actions rather than having the sport and the athlete at the centre. Can we not see that we are sabotaging ourselves when we do things like this to our nationals who strive to represent us on the world stage. The federation had made the proverbial mountain out of a mole hill and can’t seem to figure how to get around it. It’s simple really. Let the athlete’s get the best chance to be ready!

  10. Elitist bigotry rears it’s head. Where’s my 3 canal?

  11. Nicole and Kenneth, in all fairness it has to be said that the sportswoman nomination was done in November… and ergo cannot really be used as measure where they stand now, but i think their stance hasnt changed since…

  12. The length of time they’re taking to make a decision on this issue clearly shows their stance. It seems they’re not in favour of Thema going to the Olympics and taking their time to come up with a plausible excuse. It boggles the mind that these “adults” are making such decisions with such frivolousness. Their actions are more suited for the playground since it seems they are refusing to ‘play’ with Thema.

  13. This is, absolutely ridiculous. I am saddened for Thema. I am still praying that things will be made right for such a hard working beautiful young lady!

  14. By refusing her permission to perform it appears to me that they have found her guilty of whatever breach of discipline even before a hearing is convened… Is that Natural Justice??? Seems like they want her out and her competitor in….Just my opinion

  15. People need to start telling their children who aspire to be athletes that representing the republic of Trinidad and Tobago is a sure path to disappointment and ruine…..particularly for femail athletes.
    There will be little if any financial support that when promised will not necessarily be delivered, they can be disqualified arbitrarily and they can find themselves stranded in unfamiliar cpuntries.

    The best option for children with athletic talent is to emigrate to a country where they’ll be appreciated.

  16. Disgusting to Willfully this young woman’s career N They think of Themselves as LEADERS

  17. WTF and who make them The Moral Police

  18. Penalized for photos of her bare shoulders….sigh

  19. And then they want to know why we lose athletes to other countries. This committee is a joke.

  20. Hmmm how many Olympic champions has the TTGF members actually coach at the level in which they qualified for the olympics and how many have gotten a goal medal with? If a coach is fighting so hard for this individual is it that he is seeing another medal? An it’s usually when coaches see a medal in the horizon do they fight that hard. So is it we are shooting our foot off. An Lasana Liburd could it be not saying there is so please it’s a question I am asking a color barrier a sort of bias involved ? This just a question

  21. A young girls years of hard work lost.

  22. What a shame!! The Trumps of Trinidad..!!!

  23. TTGF shows us the ABCs on how to prepare to fail.

  24. In this day and age u cant go to the passport office or to clear a barrel in a sleeveless top, i didn’t expect anything different from these dinosaurs!

  25. Now that I’ve seen their pics I now understand this scenario. A bunch of insignificant idiots who’ve finally got their 15 mins of fame. The ignorance of these idiots is the reason why everything in this country is in shambles. Square pegs in round holes …. because of who you know.
    I would like to formally request a march against this stupidity.
    These cretins cannot be allowed to massage their inflated egos at the expense of Thema.
    In fact, Dr Rowley, just call down “the shot” nah!!!!

  26. Where is our sports minister on this? Did he take a position in it at all?

  27. Probably because Dick continues to appear to be the “preferred” athlete as evidenced here:

    “On Sunday night, the First Citizens Bank held its annual Sports Foundation Awards ceremony. The TTGF applied for the Jeffrey Stollmeyer Award in the Small Category but lost out to the Chess Association.

    The gymnastics body’s nominated Dick, rather than Williams, for the 2015 Sportswoman of the Year award.

    In its profile of the athlete, the TTGF stated that: “Along with teammate, Thema Williams, Dick earned a berth in the Olympic Games test event in Rio de Janeiro.”

    In truth, there is only one berth available to Trinidad and Tobago for the Test Event.”

  28. Well more the world changes more it remains the same. I am old enough to remember when Reds Mulligan, at the time about 18 yrs old, around the mid 1960’s, was the reigning West Indian n TnT Table Tennis Campion when he took issue with the new fixtures – the Table Tennis Authorities scheduled him to play in the first rounds of the current championship tournament. Traditionally the reigning champion would get a bye – didn’t have to play until that later rounds. Not so that year n Reds argument n refusal to play got him a 2 yr ban. Officious people, most of them were very weak players during their time, blanking talented young player, robbing them of “competition experience’ n robbing the country of “competition knowledge n experience” thus pushing us backwards instead of forwards, all the time.

  29. Time for the Minister of Sport to intervene

  30. Is there some way that the citizens of a country could petition to fire it’s national gymnastics board…?

  31. All of this still going down in 2016….Hmmmmm..

  32. I cussin’, now…ah fuck man!
    There, I said it…send me to a disciplinary committee now nah!

  33. Why do you say that you have a feeling that if it were Marisa Dick they would have no problem allowing her to compete in the event, Kenneth?

  34. It would appear that the US 2012 gold medal winning coach needs advice on developing athletes from the local gymnastics body. We were watching them slight. :-/

  35. Or, Kenneth, maybe the Trinidad and Tobago Gymnastics Federations knows more about preparing a gymnast for success than the coach who led the United States to gold at the 2012 London Olympics.
    We must not rule that out. :-/

  36. And who are the “faceless” bodies that constitute the TTGF?

  37. The stupidity continues. Here we go again chopping off our noses to spite our faces. This is an excellent opportunity for Thema Willams to fine tune her preparedness, identify kinks in her routine, and resolve them including face worthy competition. I have a feeling if it were Marisa Dick, they would have had no problem allowing her to partake in such an event. TTGF just loves to flex it’s incomprehensible autocratic muscle. And I hope TTOC does not continue to remain silent.

  38. Bullshit by the square yard. Steups!!!

  39. For all these weeks Smith has been silent, right?

    • He has refused comment to us on matter.

    • It is not MOSY’s place to get involved into NF Politics… the only influence the Minister has is to outline rules for receiving subventions and insist on their adherence….

    • Andreas Stueven How is a NF formed? Who do they report to?

    • What the Ministry or TTOC can do, imo is report this to the FIG and let them rein in the local body. Andreas is right. The govt cannot interfere in the internal process of an NGB save and except when infringements impact on funding criteria.

    • So we should be requested the ministry and TTOC to do so? Because lobbying the TTGF seems hollow and pointless.

    • A NF does not really report to anyone, but their IF and of course by extension there then to the IOC (now this is a scenario for a Olympic sport) as the local rep of the IOC the NF will be a member of the NOC (in TNT: TTOC), but does not really have to report to it, actually the sum of all NF’s make up the council of the TTOC and therefore one can rather say that the TTOC has to report to the NF”S as a group… same applies for TTPC (the disabled guys…). The Ministry and its boss has no influence on the politics of the NF, however makes certain good governance demands in return for the subvention the NF wants to get.. You dont want or get subvention… no need to bother with MOSY…

    • If they report to no one, how are they formed? Can a competing NF appear?

    • Natasha i dont think that MOSY has the authority to report them to FIG, that would have to come from one of the Athletes and, not knowing the TTGF Constitution there is usually a detailed description of dispute resolution in the constitution (that is one of MOSY’s requirements for subvention) which most-likely will have been violated by now, if that is the case the door is open for 1) Report to FIG 2) report to CAS if FIG does not offer IF arbitration (Some IFs still dont) 3) a constitutional breach, i would thing can also be take to the local courts, as i would consider that a contractual issue….

    • Sophie KMW No they cant a NF is formed by the association of the Interest Groups (in other words: Clubs, but not necessarily excursively). They form a body and request recognition by the IF, once granted they then will also join TTOC, TTPC and being recognized by MOSY…

    • Sorry if I am being annoying with questions, but I am trying to understand what actions are worthwhile. So… the clubs come together to form a body – which means the clubs have the most power to collectively say – this is BS? Is that the problem? The majority of clubs are not supporting Thema?

    • Once a NF has been formed and recognized it is near impossible to ever debunk them.. it is expected that issues of bad governance and mismanagement will be dealt with by its councilmembers (the Clubs) and fire their Management if need be…

    • Sophie KMW you heading the right way now… and if you read Lasana’s article again: That is where this issue has now been send by the disciplinary committee, to the council, however a council is not convened that easily…. and given the fact that the test event deadline is tomorrow, there is little chance the council will be able to meet before. Even if you ignoring the constitutional process to convene a council which can take 4 or more weeks with notices to be send out etc. i’d say it is logistically impossible to call a council meeting in less than 2 weeks, given that it was referred last week, i don’t think the council is able to meet before next week…

    • and dont worry about the questions… i watched sesame street…

    • Andreas Stueven I hope the public now understands how poor administration affects athletes. Going after the politicians, who are allowed no more input than pledging funds, really doesn’t get to the heart of the problems in sport. Every NGB will moan about their work being voluntary but if you can’t handle it, what are you doing there? As always, the athletes suffer and there’s hardly anyone to defend their interests, although everyone’s mantra is to be athlete-focused.

    • Darryl smith is busy concocting his reality tv show…or so i hear

    • Natasha well said, while i would also be one of those moaning about voluntarism… i totally agree, Sports admins have to learn that passion alone is not enough to get the job done, sport these days is a business, if you do not treat it that way your Athletes will loose out, aside of the fact that it is corrupt just like politics as most of the times you have Mummy and Daddy run the Club/Federation where kiddo is an athlete… its hard to separate the personal agenda from the one for the sport….

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